Elevated Talkz
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Elevated Talkz
Breaking the Cycle with @NotYourAverage702
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Speacial guest @NotYourAverage702 , We trade jokes for honesty as we talk mental health, family boundaries, and the long arc from LA fields to Vegas lights. The debate heats up on recruiting, NIL, college vs trades, masculinity, marriage, and whether we’re oppressed or just unprepared. Host Stxndout culture shock moving from SoCal to Vegas and David Moore Vegas to Minnesota.
• Vegas high school football talent, coaching shifts, and charter growth
• NIL, transfers, reclassing, and recruiting realities
• Rehab pool party economics and bottle wars
• health choices and a 12-year vegan perspective
• why cigars and brotherhood started our show
• masculinity, marriage balance, and being present at home
• college debt vs trades, JUCO strategy, and ROI
• oppression vs disadvantage, media narratives, and agency
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Hosts, Guests, And Energy Set
SPEAKER_05Elevator talks in this thing. You got the boy stand out in the building. We got some special guests. I was just talking shit to them behind the cameras and stuff. I should not have had cuss in the first like 10 minutes, but whatever. You know, we'll we'll beep that out. We got not your average, not your average 702. You can't say not your average because it's not your average podcast. I just found that out like five days ago. But uh, but you guys are better. So say that. We got the we got the homies. We had most multiple, multiple conversations. This is a lot of, I feel like a lot of money in this in this room. It feels like a lot of like aura, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna hear, I'm here to talk shit, but I'm here to big y'all up too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You got the bloods over here. And then you got you got the mafia, and then you got the crib. And I'm just neutral. I'm I'm just hands up, hands up, man. I'm I'm not with that. I'm gonna let y'all introduce y'all selves, you know what I mean? Uh or I could I can give y'all a proper introduction if y'all want to, but yeah, y'all can introduce yourselves. How y'all want to do it? Do your thing, bro. Do your thing.
SPEAKER_04Sure, show stuff.
SPEAKER_05You got okay, okay, okay, okay. All right, so check this out. To my right, which is probably y'all left, um, we got motherfucking David Moore in the building. How you guys doing? You know, he was on the show before. Uh, you know, Mr. Bodybuilder. I put him in the speedo. Y'all know.
SPEAKER_04Uh what's going on, man? Uh, you know, we're here again. Got the boys here. We hold the whole auras here, man. All kind of men talking about men stuff. So um grateful to be on this uh on your on your on your stage, bro. Appreciate you having us.
SPEAKER_05I feel like uh we should have probably had a cigar before, but it's another day.
SPEAKER_04That's another day another time. We're gonna we're gonna record that for sure. But thanks for having us on, man. Not Travis Podcast.
SPEAKER_05Not Travis Podcast. Yeah, shit right here.
SPEAKER_04Come on, man. Snook. Snook. You know what I mean? Snuggle. Uh DJ, my blog shiny p. We here, miss. This is McNot Travis, bro. Thanks for giving us on.
SPEAKER_05You didn't you didn't get a proper. Oh, I give it another. I said you need a little more. All right, never mind. Well, we'll we'll do that another time. I'm gonna come on y'all shit and y'all we'll you know, y'all can. You go going like that? Okay, say hello. Say less, say less. So what's up? How's your mental health? Good, bro.
SPEAKER_04I'm actually good right now.
SPEAKER_05Look really good. Snug?
unknownStraight.
SPEAKER_05Sean?
SPEAKER_06I'm straight.
Mental Health Check And Family Dynamics
SPEAKER_05I'm good. I'm feeling good. I feel good. I feel good. Okay. I'm solid, man. I'm solid. Are y'all just saying that just because we like got cameras in the middle? No, legit.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I was telling everybody yesterday, my mom been living with me for the past two, three years, and she finally moved out yesterday. So is that like a like a like a sign of relief? Like, ah, or that was like, damn, I was stuck between a rock and a hard place because you know, that's mom, so I always hold my mom down, especially how she did for me. But then I got my wife, yeah, who wants to have her own space with her family. Absolutely. Uh so you know, they kind of my mom is not as clean as we would like her to be. So, like, babe, but that's my that's my mom. I was like, Would you want me to kick her out? Who would you like to sit in the front seat, your mom or your wife? My mom wouldn't allow anything other than my wife being there. Okay, I'm just making sure. I was just I was checking the temperature right there. Okay. I just want to send it back. Hey, no, they're real good. They they love each other. Don't get don't don't don't get it twisted. They they love each other. Okay.
SPEAKER_05So you know, because I got I got some partners that like they'll make the girl walk. She's not even getting the back seat. You know what I'm saying? I was just checking the temperature, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02Mom's moved out. My wife already, Miss Ledonna, I'll be at your house next weekend to help you unpack and organize your new apartment for you.
SPEAKER_05Okay, okay. And then DJ, it's funny, you coached the high school that I went to for one year. I hated going there. Um, I went to Centennial one year, everybody knows that, but and I hated it. I like coming from California, you know what I'm saying? So I came from California, like football was Derek thing. I get to Centennial. Football was in what part of Cali? I come from like the LA area. I'm from Carson. So yeah, LA Compton. What year did you go to Centennial? I went to Centennial. I moved out here 06, 05. Okay. Yeah. So I went to go to school with Jaron. He would have Jaren? Yeah, Walker. He would have seen it. Yes. Yep. He was supposed to be the coldest thing ever. My cousin, running back. And then he got hurt. And then like Centennial's like, they should just went.
SPEAKER_02He still went off to college though.
SPEAKER_05No, he did. He went to Lehigh, but remember he had that ride to Oklahoma. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I had before Jaron, I didn't know nobody who had seen Lehigh in person. I was on a college tour there.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02And I had always told people about, man, this college campus is crazy. It's crazy. Then Jaron, I think I don't remember who he was with, but he ended up at my apartment one day and we got to talking about it.
SPEAKER_01And he was so hype about it too. Like, nigga, I've been trying to tell everybody about it, but people just don't get it. And we just had this whole moment about Lehigh. That's okay. Is it Pennsylvania?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Okay. Copy. I know it was real cold out there. I went during the summer, but So where'd you go? I didn't go to col I went to college. Like, like well, you said out there, so I was like, okay. I went, uh, I just went on a I was student by president in high school and it was a national conference in Philadelphia. So that's how I went out there with college. Bay was tourists.
SPEAKER_05And then you went around the corner to Cal, right? Well, Cal, I'm in I'm in I'm in Oakland. I'm in the Bay. Yeah, so that's around the corner.
SPEAKER_08Bay Area.
SPEAKER_05Minnesota. Minnesota.
SPEAKER_04Minnesota, eh? Back in Minnesota.
SPEAKER_02I thought I'm telling Mr.
SPEAKER_05Bay to play. Like that's a complete extreme. Like, you know what I mean? Like, indeed.
SPEAKER_04Indeed. Extreme heat to extreme cold.
unknownYeah.
LA To Vegas: High School Culture Shock
SPEAKER_05At least he, you know, you went to the Bay, you know, so he was totally different, bro.
SPEAKER_04Everybody was cool, though. I can say everybody was nice, man. I can say that. Everybody was nice. They called you Vegas, right? Everybody called me Vegas. They didn't even know my real name. Everybody called me Vegas. Everybody thought we lived on the strip. Are you living on the strip, right? No, bro. Hell no. I live off the strip. You gotta go to the casino just to get out the house? Yeah, absolutely not. But everybody was cool, bro. That's a different experience. Um, it was a lot of um, like it was a lot of uh, what's the word? I can say it, community love. Like everybody helped everybody, it was no locked doors. If you need something, I got you. Boom, boom, boom. Like look at the part of Minnesota. I was up north. I was in the city. What in the cities? So Minnesota is like it's split in half, it's huge, right? But the the South Minnesota, that's the cities. That's when you see on TV and Minneapolis, all the bad shaping. But up north, I was at, it's it's like a lot of fishing, um, wildlife, hunt like that, and like families that's like been there for generations. It's a small town, like a billion small towns, and it's all big on that one college, and it's like, it's all all everybody's loving that college. So if you talk college, you're like a celebrity. Oh, so games is lit. Oh, yeah, rocking.
SPEAKER_03Kids like, hey, fake, I sign my jersey. Oh, time right.
SPEAKER_05Okay, so right out of college, Ya too moved. You I stayed. You stayed, did you stay or move? Pasadena. Pasadena, okay. Dina. I'm a UCLA fan, so I spent a PSU. Okay. All right. Yeah, how was that? Uh it was a city full of blood.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that was a city full of blood. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I was straight. I was straight. I was cool with everybody.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you got the Denver lanes out there, and and it was straight. And then the Bay. Man, yeah, that's like the the Bay, uh, the Bay is like it's so different because you know, Southern California feels like a whole different state. It might as well be a whole other state. Yeah, it might as well be a whole state. Mines will be a whole nother state.
SPEAKER_08And then you got you're from Vegas, so it's like, you know, everybody's like, yeah, it's like it was a it was a col it was a culture shock because you know, everything out here is 24 24 hours. And then I went out there and in the city of Berkeley, there's no there's no fast food restaurants, everything closed at like 10 o'clock. Um, you see, you see people's parks, so it's it's like, what the what is bro? It was a culture shock.
SPEAKER_02I loved it out there. They got a lot of vegan spots for your boy.
SPEAKER_04I love it too.
SPEAKER_02No, specifically Berkeley, the little college town. They had a lot of vegan spots for your boy.
SPEAKER_08No, I man, I I love the Bay though, to be honest. Like you ever moved there? Certain parts.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_08It like I would go back to like San Jose, somewhere around there. I wouldn't live in Oakland, I wouldn't live in Frisco.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you can't.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, you can't you can't do that. But everything's so close, you know. So like we used to, yeah, we was at Berkeley, but it's like, oh, they got something jumping at Stanford. That's about 40 minutes. Stanford. Stanford.
SPEAKER_02That was lit.
SPEAKER_08Yep. They came, they, they came to um, they came to one of my games, my uh my senior year. We played against uh we played against we played against USC.
SPEAKER_02So they they came and we was looking for a party and hit like three parties before they found for we found the one we were.
SPEAKER_05So we found the one that we wanted to go to. That's the whole that's like the best part of like college. It's not learning anything. Because you don't really learn shit in college most of the time. Like, let's be honest. Like college, like I remember my experiences. Yeah, you mad. You learn like life experience, race baiting. But like, no, like like like so, for example, like my sister, she went to Boise State, right? Okay, cold like I drove her to Boise State, nine-hour drive, easy, cool. We haven't, I'm giving her the pep talk, and she moved her in her dorm, shit like that. And um, I I'm hanging out outside, um, and I'm getting to know the city a little bit, you know, going to different spots in the city or whatever. And um, I'm like, it's gonna be no fucking educational shit going on here. About potatoes, yeah. Like potatoes. Like, all you see is California plates out there though. Like, so like, yeah, like so. When you get out there, you just like California just invaded fucking boise.
SPEAKER_08I know, yeah. Really? So, so I know on the recruiting aspect of it, Boise went and got a lot of SoCal kids, a lot of Cali kids. Yeah, so it's like if you was a if you was a four-star, five star, you was going to SC, you was going to UCLA, you was going to Cal, you was going to Oregon. But if you was like that three-star who was a dog, yeah, yeah, Boise was coming to get you. That's how they was able to beat Oklahoma. They was yeah, they would get those. Oh, he got under-recruited. Yeah, let me go get him go to Boise. Yeah, they got chips on their shoulder.
Recruiting Stories And Small-Town Stardom
SPEAKER_05Yep. Have you guys uh you guys all went to Cheyenne? The town is 07. Oh, the town. Fuck. The town, yeah. Watch it, watch your goddamn code. So moving out here, like I said before, I hated like I I so my campus, the the school that I went to, I just put it this in perspective. All right, so we had from my freshman year to my junior year, we had probably like 71 people go out on D1 or D2 scholarships, right? And so, like, do you know uh Lacefax, Mike Evans? Yeah, Mike Evans. Yeah, that's my boy. Like, I went like we grew up together, like he went to Carson, he wanted to transfer to Compton, uh, whatever. But um, so it was a lot of people, a lot of Samoans too that you know, so especially in Carson. Yeah, so we always had recruiters there. So uh going to Centennial at the time when Centennial is still fairly new, like it was like a culture shot. Cause I'm like, man, like I'm going to the school with 5,000 students, and this school, I don't know, at the time, probably had like maybe like 2,000 students or something like that, and I couldn't move around like I wanted to and stuff like that, and I hated it. And then the coach at the time, he told me, um he told me and my boy Randy that we couldn't play because this was his excuse, and I was so fucking mad. He said, You guys can't play because you guys don't have Nevada insurance. I said, What? Like we could, you know, we can just buy uh insurance. So I'm jaded because like I'm uh a freshman and a sophomore playing varsity uh at Carson. So I'm just thinking, like, I'm about to come to Vegas and run shit up, you know what I'm saying? Like they ain't like us. You know, you know, people come out here with that with that mindset or whatever. And so um Jaren gets hurt. Now their season goes to shit. I mean my my homeboy Torrence uh he Torrance Wayland, right? Yeah, he um he he did good. Uh I mean, but he wasn't, you know. He wasn't jaring. He wasn't jaring, you know. And so like the season, so the coach comes out to us like mid-season, they already went like I think they were like four and five at the or you know, they wasn't 500 yet. He's like, You guys still interested in playing? I said, hell I said, hell no. I I'll never forget like I like I couldn't stand that coach. And um, and I was jaded like my whole junior year. I was like jaded because I couldn't do the thing. Like I cried every day like before because I had a buzz out there, you know. Yeah, I'm used to seeing recruiters on, you know, just watching us practice or spring balls 707 and stuff, and then like I didn't get to play. I was so fucking jaded. But then I wanted to when I look back at it, I had fun at Centennial. That's like that's like Sean's story.
SPEAKER_02Sound like me seeing her here. Fucking asshole.
SPEAKER_04It took out on everybody, though, in the everybody room.
SPEAKER_02Well, you opened the door for me to speak my mind. Your fault. You had it in the first place. You're right, you're right. And he asked the question, so you know me. I'm a yeah. Matter of fact, I do got a power. Okay, Alex, you say something, asshole.
SPEAKER_04That was a good time.
SPEAKER_05Great time. So now that the back on it was hands has had some beats that went there, some dogs.
SPEAKER_08We had some dudes, man. For sure. I'm on the uh I'm on the Hall of Fame committee for the athletic session. Um, and so just going through the names of who all we had, man, you talk about just football alone. You talking about Deshaun Miles, um, Eddie Hartwell, David Peoples.
SPEAKER_07I I I met David Peoples like. How long do you have to be graduated before you can be considered for the Hall of Fame?
SPEAKER_08Umfortunately, we haven't had to come across that because we we created a criteria for what so if you were like an all-American, if you made pro, if you play college, if you were Gatorade Player of the Year, All State, whatever, whatever. Unfortunately, like looking through all of our history, nobody after like 2010, 2011 would qualify. Yeah, it's been a week after that.
SPEAKER_04They went they went downhill. Yeah, Daniel senior garbage.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, we haven't you think about the last true like basketball player who really left Cheyenne was uh Elijah. Elijah. Elijah and um uh Dmitrick. Yep. What do you what do you think the downfall uh was for cousin, right? So uh so I'll say this football football wise, um they fired our head coach, Coach Anthony, and we haven't had a single person go D1 since then.
SPEAKER_04I think it's I think it's that and I think it's all the high schools got built. Like yeah, Cheyenne, you had Cane Springs three minutes away, and you got Legacy, you got Mojave.
SPEAKER_05I think all these different things and at that time too, honky Cooper was that was that Cane Springs, yeah.
SPEAKER_08And they let they let Hunky do his thing. Yes. Oh, they let him do his thing over there, but at Cheyenne, that's a white boy? You don't know Hunky?
SPEAKER_04Hunk Cooper?
SPEAKER_08Uh-uh. Black man, hunky, not honky. No, no, no. Yeah, not honky.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_08No, but they they let hunky do his thing over there, and um he he really built that program up. And I still look back because I I have this argument with people all the time. If they never would have built Canyon Springs, we would have won state every year. Yeah, Gorman, okay? Every year we'd won state. Never lost to Gorman.
SPEAKER_04Never lost to Gorman.
SPEAKER_08Um and also a lot of people who lived in the area still didn't go to Cheyenne. So like like Brandon Marshall lived B. Marshall lived right up the street from Cheyenne. I didn't know that. Yeah, he but he went to um he went to Cimarron.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Um, who else? It was somebody else. Is it a magnet program that he got into? No, he just chose to go. Um I think Corey. Corey Toomer didn't live far.
SPEAKER_04Shadow Ridge.
SPEAKER_05Yep, Shadow Ridge. Around that time, too. Um, shit, a lot of people was getting busted, like Apollo and Centennial.
SPEAKER_04From the West Side. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Yeah, that was that whole trying to increase the diversity.
SPEAKER_05And you know Provante? What's the last name? Uh McGowan. He played like basketball Centennial. He was like, so because I went to Centennial with like Italy and he was like the so she was the stud, uh the best bad yeah, literally. No punch. She was like the like the best thing. Like she was the best girl, the person and girl in the country. How she was in high school, she was like that in the street. And then fucking uh Curvante, he was like the he was like the best boy there. Like, you know, like so the studs there was Cravante, Jaron, and everybody else's whatever. But yeah, they were like, we had this dude named Brandon, but that's a whole different topic for Brandon. But uh but they were like the studs there, like they like they worship the ground that they walked on. Curvante lived on the west side, he had a car he used to drive with Monte Carlo to Centre. So who got who got it now?
SPEAKER_02Is it outside of Guarma? Is it Liberty? I think that was like all the good players.
SPEAKER_08I think our review. Oh yeah, their football, their football was was decent. Um Liberty, Liberty got all the Samoans, Arborview, um Us. Um and then there's some like the charter schools who are up and coming, but for the most part, it's St. Fort. Foothill's actually pretty decent, too.
SPEAKER_04Slam Academy.
SPEAKER_08Slam's good in wrestling.
SPEAKER_04Oh, wrestling?
NorCal vs SoCal And College Life
SPEAKER_08You know who the wrestling coach is, right? Abrams. That's what Abrams were. Abrams over there.
SPEAKER_05Slam is phenomenal. What about that other um that other school that uh Sloan? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Sloan Canyon. Yeah. They're they're getting all the the polys. Okay. And because they're a charter school, you can kind of hand it. Yep. Uh yeah. So that's that's what's happening with that.
SPEAKER_05I think that's like the magnitude of um of like this football. I mean, sports period, like all over. They're like the public schools used to be the shit. And then now it's like charter school and private school. Yeah. Like, um, because you know, Norbond, you know. My pop screw long. Yeah, he uh I hate Norbond. Um they they kept on um getting violations because they were all kids from out here classes, and you know, yeah, gone. Whole season gone. Damn. Found out they had like the kids from Vegas, Texas.
SPEAKER_08It's a lot of that going on out here. Like, I know a it was a whole group of kids who left and went to um St. Bonaventure. Yeah, yep. How that happened?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was like, damn, like they these schools got money, money. Like they got money. Like what's what's going on with this whole I seen uh what's his name? AJ DeBanza, the basketball player from VR. UIU. I heard him doing an interview talking about he reclassed, and he was like, Yeah, so my second eighth grade year. Yeah, that's that's really big right now. I do all that. Are you just openly talking about it? I'm not in that school now. It's really big now.
SPEAKER_05Well, see, you know, back in the day, like a lot of like the rich schools that never reclassify their kids, but nobody knew about it. It wasn't popular because like you, you know, we Jimmy Clausen. Yeah, like like it was a lot of them that was reclassified, but we didn't know, you know. It was like, oh, they need maturity and shit. Yeah, yeah. And uh Shabazz.
SPEAKER_02Yep, that's wild.
SPEAKER_05The first grade twice or eighth grade twice. Nobody's not even gonna see. I'm not doing eighth grade twice. Yeah, I'd rather just get on and you could talk about it.
SPEAKER_04You got held back, stupid. Yeah, now I was like a subject. I don't know, yeah, you know, held back.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, my my second eighth grade year, we we played so-and-so.
SPEAKER_05I was like, shit, like I was ready to get out, you know what I'm saying? So like I get I understand, like somebody broke it down to me, and I kind of get it, but my logic has always been well, well, won't you play up and try to get better? Yeah, you know, because I played up my whole life, and that's what made me better. So by the time um I'm touching like this, Tomorrow Pause, um, some more you know what I'm saying? Because like, all right, so in Carson, so the the school that I went to is called Curtis, right? In middle school. Like that was like like the nigga shit, nigga shit, nigga, nigga, nigga. You know, it's like that's you know, that's how that's how it was. Like, you know, and so like people used to be scared to go to Curtis, and so on the other side of our rival school had all the Polynesians, so it was just like literally just like streets that separated it or whatever. So it would always be like a rivalry, right? So by the time we got to high school, like half of us went to Carson, half of us went to Bany. And um, like that's like when you get to high school, like it was frowned upon to play freshmen. So like they was like, you play freshman, ha ha ha ha, you suck ass, you know what I'm saying? We was called freshman team. Our first team was fire, yeah. Like we like nah, like out there, like the freshman was for like like the weaklings and stuff. Nah, damn, damn. It's to the point where like a lot of schools uh stopped having like a freshman team or whatever, or they called it a beat team because like you know, they like, yeah, yeah. I think I played with some of some of the polys who went to Carson. Yeah, we had yeah, we had a a lot. The Maleles. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they had had they found them super bloods too.
SPEAKER_08Super. Yeah, yeah. I played with them at Cal. So my freshman year, that was the first time I ever saw like the the polys who like talked like us and like they bet I'm like, yeah, bro. All y'all get down in Cali? Yeah. Like they, when I say they get down, and when I say they can drink, what man? Yeah, man. So you remember where my my freshman dorm was, right? We had the big parking lot outside. After the tailgate, all the polys used to stand in a circle. And it'd probably be about like seven or eight of them. Each of them have a bottle. And they just drink. And then it's your turn. I'll take that bottle. I'm going to take this bottle. Drink. You take that bottle. And they would just do that the whole night until it was done. But yeah, it was uh, I think it was Norris, Norris Malele.
SPEAKER_05Bro, they whole family. One went to uh Cal, one went to uh he was supposed to go to SC, and then like I forgot what have probably your age or something like that. Like um, and then they had like a cousin that like was like the best one, but like he was like life, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so yeah, but he was like big. I'm talking about a freshman, like he didn't go, he went to a rival school, whatever, but he um he was like 6'5, freshman, like 360, you know, starting varsity all four years. I need him. But barely eligible, you know. Yeah, he's one of those ones that was barely eligible. You know, you know how we used to do it back then. Like, if you didn't have the grades in high school, if you just made the eligibility, you go to Harbor College, El Camino, one of the junior colleges, play one gear, yeah, you're passed on, you know, to to uh college or like a D1, D2, whatever. But you know, that was that was used to be the game because half of it was like not me, of course, but yeah, that was a grade A still.
SPEAKER_04It's different now.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it's different.
SPEAKER_04But now you get two years, so your jukeo years don't count no more. So so the whole the whole holding kids back don't make sense no more. Because now you can you can go from high school to juke colour. Those two years you got juco don't count against your yeah the clock no more. So I think some might I think it might change.
SPEAKER_02I heard about the that father son playing fuck college football. Oh yeah, I've seen that.
SPEAKER_05I re I read that article.
SPEAKER_02That's crazy. That's kind of dying. He has some years of eligibility left. That's what he said. LeBron and Bronny, what? He's about to play in the football field. I mean, technically, shit.
Passing Leagues, Power Programs, And Speed
SPEAKER_05If you think about it, if you go, let's say you bounce back, right, and you only play one year, let's say, let's say you play at like it's not Dixie State no more. What's it called? Utah Tech. Utah Tech, right? And then you get bounced back to a junior college, play like two years at Junior College, stop playing, right, for like 10 years. You got eligibility. You got eligibility left. Come back, come back looking like tookie and shit, playing linebacker, big as shit. Yeah, yeah, but they gotta honor that though. They have to, because he still got eligibility. I'm done. Yeah. But so that that domino affects like all the kids coming out of high school. If you think about it, like if you are a two-star, a one-star, even most three stars, like you're not going to like a big school unless you got connections, lots of grades and shit like that, or unless you just play other sports. And you know what I mean? So like I got a kid, he went to Gorman. Um, his name is Malik, like blazing fast. He goes to uh Cal State, Florida 10. And um, like dog, like you know, he's tall. He's like the prototype. He's like 6'3, 6'4. Like his uh his his uh, I think I seen his article, he runs like a 10, I think he ran like a 10-8 or something like that. And um, like he was just always fast, like his dad, shout out to Benny. Uh, I used to coach with him like 15 years ago, and um he just always had like this track program out here, and um all his kids, his son, his last son went to Art Review, he was a dog too. And like they I think he go to like San Bardino college now and shit, but like he was a dog, and now he go to San Mardino College. Not saying there's nothing wrong with that, but it's crazy because like 10 years ago, he would have at least got to maybe like an Adam State or something, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, you know, they handpicking the junior college kids, yeah, and then just bringing them up to the D2, they taking the D2 kids. Oh yeah, he's matured, okay.
SPEAKER_04We put anything in high school to my high school, you gotta be really ready, ready and mature from high school.
SPEAKER_08And it and it's it's a lack of respect for Vegas, though. So I know like for me, as like I'm real big on like the recruiting aspect. I'm on Twitter all day trying to help my kids get noticed and stuff. And Vegas is well, Nevada in itself is called a flyby state. So everybody will fly by us to get to Cali, to get to Arizona, to get to wherever. And I remember I had a um I had a player I was reach I I reached out to even with Gorman being here? Everybody thinks everybody thinks about Gorman. That's that's it. But they don't respect high school football in Vegas because all they think about is Gorman. That's it. But I had a coach in in Texas, he liked he was like, Coach, I really like your player. Like he's a dude. And he said, if my head coach, he said, but if my head coach, my head coach would be mad if I got him over a kid from LA or Texas.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Just because the kids in Vegas, they was like, Yeah, I'm not gonna take them. Even though he's good.
SPEAKER_07It's it's it's it's terrible. But how many teams does Gorman play in their schedule from Vegas? Typically about like four or five, depending on what their conference is. Does that help get people exposure? Like if they ball out or something. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Oh, yeah. You know, they get those prime time games, yeah. So and that's why a few of my boys got got offers and stuff and getting recruited because how we played against Gorman last season. Faith Lutheran don't got it? Not like they used to. No. Yeah, they they had they. Yeah, baseball, yeah, they're they're solid. But football, they had two kids sign this year, but that's kind of down from where Faith Lutheran has always been.
SPEAKER_02Who who's who's recruiting Bray? I know it's one of these schools trying to get in.
SPEAKER_06Baylor's reaching out.
SPEAKER_02No, I mean high school.
SPEAKER_06Huh? High school, friends. High school's um who's trying to get in?
SPEAKER_02Um I think or if you can say, I don't want to.
SPEAKER_06Lake Mead Christian? I think that's a school.
SPEAKER_04That's modern east now.
SPEAKER_08No, it's not. Lake Mead Academy. Really?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that is Lake Mead. It's like Southeast. Oh yeah. Way out there. Uh coach by the name of uh Josh Johnson. He was in the league, he was a pitcher. And then um he had a chance for Gorman, but their their um their club hall coach, he pissed him off by saying he don't want to go to Gorman. So he can just come to Centennial.
SPEAKER_02So yeah. How come Bray don't want to go to Gorman?
SPEAKER_06Um the hype, probably. The hype and everybody's going there, you know. Okay. So he was like, lays his own career. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08First of all, Bray's gonna be good regardless. Wherever he go.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I already know that. I know it's a bunch of high school coaches on his head trying to get him to their school right now.
SPEAKER_06And then uh what was his name? And what grade Mojave. Uh uh Jero won him bad. What grade is he in? He's a sophomore. You know, sophomore, he's he's about 6'5, 205. Where are you going to school at? He's at Arbor.
SPEAKER_02Arbor. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And Baylor on him? That's dope.
SPEAKER_06You know, they're reaching out when I see him.
SPEAKER_05So shit, NIO is a thing in high school. In high school. Yeah. NIO's a thing in high school. Fucking um, I know I'm not gonna mention names or I'm not gonna mention the school, but they paid for this parent to come from a different state. I can't say the state because then I give it up a little bit, but came come from a different state, which they brought in their whole family, gave them, and it's not Gorman neither. Uh, and they uh they gave the mom the job, wherever. Actually, the mom worked with me. Like they got pulled like that. They know like our, you know, and uh, you know, my my job, you know, it's about shit, like 500 pollies that work there, you know. Um and she uh she moved her whole family out. Her son's a dog, like dog, dog, dog. And they like kind of what's the sport? It's football. Oh football? Yeah, yeah. He's a linebacker.
SPEAKER_02Like he yeah, he's he's a dog. Look, you're saying too much, man. You're saying too much.
SPEAKER_05Well, it's a good it's a couple dogs, like I'd be like, I can narrow it down to a six school. Yeah, yeah. They got they got bread, you know what I'm saying? And um, you know, they trying to compete, you know, and I'm like, uh I I see it, but I've been seeing it before. Like I said, like the Norbonds and you know, all these schools and shit. Like Is there anybody who got NIO money in high school out here? Out here?
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Um not that I know of. I know of a few players who have who have agents already, though. Because it's a it's a player, it's a player out here who actually has my agent. Oh yeah. Let's go.
SPEAKER_05Like, how does that make you feel though? Like, you like 16, 17 with my agent. Yeah. Like it made me feel like, what the f what is going on?
SPEAKER_08At least it's it's weird because we didn't grow up in that, but at least I know that he's gonna be taken care of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because like that dude who's who's my agent, like he was solid. Okay. Like he yeah, he's he's solid. Like he came to a few of my games, like, to watch and stuff this year, and he still hits me up because he he lives out here. And so, like, he's he that kid he gonna be taken care of.
Rehab Pool Party Chaos And Vegas Nightlife Economics
SPEAKER_05It's kind of like remember Take Martel. Like, that was like really the first kid that we knew about that was like, I mean, his family was like, like, was like taking care of, but you know, you on a Netflix show, you doing all this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. Like, I wanted, I really wanted to play like uh like Vegas themes and stuff. Cause like it wasn't big when we was coming up though, yeah. Like the biggest school I knew, uh Gorman Gorman sent me, I don't know how they knew that I was moving to Vegas, but they was sending me like tapes, like to come to Gorman. But this is when Gorman was still at the old campus, and like they wasn't that good. Like they were they was cool, but like but they were like sending me like tapes in California, like and my mom was like, I just was moving to Vegas, like, you know, this is before the internet, stuff like that. And um the school that we really knew about at that time was Vegas. We knew kind of Cimarron, because like Cimarron sometimes they'll come down for the passing league. Okay. Um, I met some dudes from Cheyenne uh when I came up here because I was supposed to go to Western originally. And uh but that's when Philip Payne was there. He was a oh and Reggie. Yeah, they was it was cool, you know. Reggie Bullock.
SPEAKER_06That was Overtime, I think. Yeah, Overtime was still beautiful, still beautiful.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they was they was cool, but um I actually went, I don't know if y'all was I don't know if y'all played, oh man, it might have been oh six, oh five. So y'all had to be playing. So I went to one of y'all games, didn't even know y'all. That's crazy. Dang, yeah, because I came out here. Well, my uncle, he lived out here, so he used to throw a lot of tournaments and stuff at uh first he worked at Southwest too, but he he lived out here one year and went to Chaparral. So he knows a lot of people around Vegas and stuff. Um this is like in the 90s. Um so I came out here, he was throwing a tournament like uh for the job or whatever. So we ended up going, I think y'all played Palo? It might have been Palo But y'all y'all won. Y'all dogged him too.
SPEAKER_06No, it wasn't Palo.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so I can't I can't remember, but I remember y'all weren't y'all running like a winged T, right? No, yeah, yeah. I used to be like, I was like, why is this like is this Vegas football? Why do they run a wing T now?
SPEAKER_08Our sophomore year, we ain't run that. Our sophomore year, we was that was when we had Tory and Jarrell and oh my gosh. That team was that team was so good. What about Mojave back then?
SPEAKER_05Was Mojave good?
SPEAKER_06No, no, that's horrible.
SPEAKER_05No, it was somebody I knew that went to Mojave. They were bro uh Low Mags. No, Jamal. Okay, what school? They went to Vegas? Okay, yeah, Magic Magic, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Magic went to Vegas. Um we uh we played with Magic from the time we was little all the way up till they went to Vegas. So did y'all play like Pop Warner and all that stuff the other?
SPEAKER_06NYFL.
SPEAKER_08We we did.
SPEAKER_06They did. They were sorry though.
SPEAKER_08Hey, we hey can you stop it, please? Nope, no. Can you stop, please?
SPEAKER_04Stop it. So 90. Well NYFL started? NYFL or 97? So Pop Warner was out here before there's the only league out here, right? But they had a weight, it had a weight limit. So if so I was the heavy guy. So if I at my weight, I had to play with like the fifth, sixth grades. I was only in first, second grade. And why I fail started, and you can play with your grade, you can play at your eighth, but if you was heavy, you put an X in your helmet. So we had real alignment. I was a real alignment, real big running backs, and pop warner, them had a little bitty ass kid. So we played them, we'd have beat the shit out of them. It was like 10 pounds, he was 120 pounds. We'd whooped their ass.
SPEAKER_05So who who what uh pop warner team was you with? Overigns. It was between Yeah, you played two, Pop Warner? Yeah, uh, Green Machine and Jaguars. Oh, Green Machine was good. Yeah, I remember the Green Machine. Like um I had little dudes. Little motherfuckers what about the Warriors when y'all was playing? Like the uh did they have Warriors back then? It was like this, they had a lot of Polynesians on them.
SPEAKER_04Oh, you're talking about the um the Island Warriors fire. That was that was NYFL.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Well, actually that was the after us, though.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was after us.
SPEAKER_05Okay, so um, I wish we would have came out here and played y'all.
SPEAKER_08We was cold, bro. We would have dog y'all though for sure. No, when we used to play them Cali teams and like the little nationals. The nationals?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I played the sorry cali team. Oh no, this is the case. Let me tell you something. Hold on. That was good. Hey, Carson Cowboys, that was fire. See, we was Z did we would have done it?
SPEAKER_05It was good. I was a call, I was a Carson Cold. It was good, bro. Look who you had to stand up against. Altron Werner, right?
SPEAKER_04Okay, we Mike Evans, dog niggas on it, too.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, remember. Altron was a dog. Yeah, like dog, dog. Like I went to school, everything with him, except high school. But uh Mike Evans, dog, his dad was our defensive coordinator, man. Look, they they had the headsets before you know what I'm saying. They thought they was NFL coaches. Nah, we had the bar. Fuck the bar. Man, look, we were sponsored by Reeboks at the time. Oh yeah, no. Yeah, we was we was hard. We have George's fire, though. Rodel.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah. Romans rocking, wobbly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08But we was but Vegas was always behind, though, man. Vegas is always behind California. California be so much like more advanced than we are. It'll take us like 15, 20 years to catch up to California, what they do. Yeah, like also I know. I won't talk when we was in high school, but then people would be like, yeah, we had this tournament, we did this. I'm like, we didn't do none of that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we had the seven on like the seven on seven when I was in high school.
SPEAKER_02What was passing league with sevens, no? Yeah, passing league. Who passed the ball?
SPEAKER_07I remember doing that. Passing league. We had passing league. Who's passed the ball? Not with CA.
SPEAKER_04He wasn't throwing the ball. Double wing tall. Let me go for it.
SPEAKER_02What throwing the ball? I don't forget what school we did it at. I I remember because that was a highlight of my high school. I remember that my senior year. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. We had passing league. I don't remember where it was at. I think it was at Desert Pines or Vegas or something. I don't know. We had passing league and passed the ball. So I don't remember that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, like that was big when He passed the ball.
unknownWho?
SPEAKER_04I was a quarterback. I didn't remember.
SPEAKER_06Here and there.
SPEAKER_04Samario, a streak. He'll catch it, he'll catch it. It's still through for 800. Yeah. Yeah, Samario. Samario's dimes. That wasn't our thing. He knows that's not our that wasn't our thing. We wasn't.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, passing league used to be the funny. And 707 used to be the funniest shit ever. Especially because you know, a lot of times you'll you'll go up against these schools that you know that you were gonna play them in the season. Like you just knew. So we was like, alright, we're gonna dog them in passing league. So passing league is like playing flag without the flag. It was like nine, eight or nine guys out there. Yeah, it's like seven on seven, but like yeah, and you had your linebackers, you had uh your your skills, it was skills and linebackers. And um, yeah, but this is when Long Beast Polly used to be like the mecca, you know. So it's crazy. You didn't want to play them. Like, I'm glad I didn't have to play them. They just did they Carson didn't start playing them until like after I left. I was glad because we would have got dog. Like it was crazy.
SPEAKER_04They they had a good number though, huh?
SPEAKER_05They're cool.
SPEAKER_04They alright. They're cool.
SPEAKER_05They're not cool, they're not what they used to be. Nah, they're damn sure not what they used to be. When they had Djack. Oh my god. Look, like, yeah, human. Look, they had him, Mercedes Lewis.
SPEAKER_04Uh uh still in the league. Um quarterback was fire.
Food, Health, And Twelve Years Vegan
SPEAKER_05He was like this Polynesian dude, he could throw, he could. I forgot Herschel was. Before Reggie. Yeah, he just kept on getting hurt. Damn. Herschel was a dude. Dog. Like he was like the best kid in the one of the best kids in the country. Just kept getting hurt. He just kept on getting hurt. He coaches in Washington now, I think. But uh, yeah, so we had this one school called Tav. Their school was built like a university, like it looked like a college. That's where Steve Smith went. Yeah, they were rich. Like that was a rich school. And uh they had this one kid named Jameer Holland. Boy, when I say that motherfucker was fast, boy. Hey, fastest in the nation. Like, what are you playing? What did Jameer play? Receiver, DB. Listen, he wasn't faster than Paris.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. Jameer was fast. Paris was fast than the first time.
SPEAKER_05No, Jameer Jameer was the fastest in the nation. Jameer was fast, bro.
SPEAKER_02Faster than Paris?
SPEAKER_08Yes. Jameer, Jameer was like Jeff Dempse, Javit Best fast.
SPEAKER_05But he was so fast that he had a scholarship to SC for track and football. Then he wound up transferring to Oregon. He he in I think in his uh 40 when we were kids. I mean, like when he was like a grade up for me, he ran like a I think his junior year he ran like a 10-9.
SPEAKER_04That's fast.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, he was fast, bro. Yeah, he's he's in the Olympics now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was fast, fast. Like, we played them, and like, so he's not even hitting full stride. And that's our DB, and he's like right here. Like they just kept on dropping dimes on him. Like and he wasn't even on that like burner speed. Yeah, he was he was so fast. But like, you know, he decided to go the track route rather than the football route, but that's when Oregon was like really Oregon, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04All the get ups. Yeah, any kind of young kid going to Oregon for a visit, bro. I I don't know how kids even leave. They probably just yeah, it's signing right there, and they saw the new Jordan, they see all the Nike stuff. Nike. Yeah, you ain't leaving, bro. Any kid to go if you get the kid to come to Oregon for a visit, uh I was pretty they probably got 95% rate.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, they got your jersey, like the custom jerseys. All 20 of them. Yeah, that's cold. Crazy work. I was watching your last podcast, right? And so you told a story about you getting hemmed up at rehab, right? This is how I saw.
SPEAKER_04No, no, I didn't get him shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you did get him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Wonder why I know because I remember that I remember that incident very vividly. I worked at rehab at the time. And so uh shit.
SPEAKER_04See, you probably seen my brother going through.
SPEAKER_05I seen both of you guys because it was a great time. No, because all right, so y'all, y'all had a cabana, right? Uh-huh. And it it next to y'all cabana, it was another cabana that was, I don't know if y'all knew it or not. They were competing because I was doing that section.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_05So they were coming, they were having bottle wars with y'all.
SPEAKER_04Really? Uh well.
SPEAKER_05That's how it went down. It was Memorial Day weekend. I think it was uh, was it Diddy there? No, no, no. It was uh I don't remember. It was Kim Kardashian there, it was Kim Kardashian, it was like Nelly, and it was some other people. I remember because they wind up, you wind up uh being in that that festival hall. Not that festival hall, but you know when you come down and you come out.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
Why Start A Podcast: Cigars And Real Talk
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And that's where you got hemmed up at. I'll never forget. You want to know how I know? Because I had to uh I had to stand by with the dude that your brother was gonna fight. Like I said, I didn't know you, you know, for a can of paint. That's crazy. Yeah, I had to stand by with him. Yeah, I didn't know that we had to stand by with him because um, like they they were doing Metro's doing their investigation or whatever. But we hit when Metro does the investigation at the time, we had to do an investigation too. We you know we got a jail cell in there, we had a jail cell in there or whatever. So like um, we had to stand by with him, and you know, like he was trying to act hard, and yeah, but I I remember seeing you. But I thought you were fighting. Yeah, I thought that you got into a fight because that's what it looked like, you know, from our point of view. I never forget I had the baby blue shirt on, uh, and uh khaki shorts, me and my best friend. My best friend was the one that assisted Metro with you.
SPEAKER_08That's wild, bro.
SPEAKER_05That was a great day. That was a great day. It was really technical capacity. We almost got shut down that day, too. That was the last year. Yeah, because we uh the fire marshal came and then he was like, You guys are hitting capacity or whatever, and um, yeah, and like we had to turn Nipsey Hustle away and all he was high as shit and everything. Yeah, yeah, we had to turn him away because we were we were at capacity, and um he came through the G, the G or no, the uh cabana line, and they were just high as shit. So, like, you know, this is like full crypt Nitsi.
SPEAKER_04This is not like lightning, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I I remember that shit very vividly, you know. That's crazy, bro. My my best friend, I would call him like my best friend Eric. Uh like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's crazy. He remembered it. It was great, and so it wasn't God, it ended so badly.
SPEAKER_05How was it like how how was that party? Because I'm only only look only look so I had to watch you guys. So I don't know exactly how it is. I had it's daybeds, cabanas, boom. I had like six cabanas that I had to watch. I don't give a fuck. I'm trying to make I'm hustling, so I'm getting tips and shit. And um and it was like this one cabana, like three cabanas down. Like this one girl, she was she was doing some wild shit in the cabana and shit. So like they was like they had like a bottle and they was like like fucking root the bottom and so so then it was another fight. It was another fight, so I delete that section because it was another fight, you know, up top where that breed pool is at. Um like it's like the crossroads where where you come down for rehab. And uh, I guess somebody they said they gave somebody some money to go with a day bed with them, but they was over the limit, so they ended up fighting the person that they gave the money to and wind up being a day ass fight, yeah. You know, fighting a rehab, bro. Yeah, bro, I was in trouble. Like rehab. I could I could do a whole podcast series on shit that That was the first time going. It was rocking. It was last year, that was the last year at rehab. Yeah, it was like uh dick to ass. Dick to ass is crazy, bro. It was like you could barely walk around. Like that's what you stay in the city.
SPEAKER_04You can say starting. Nah, it was good to have act like fucking you know, shoulders, bro. It's just shoulder shoulders a dick to ass. Whoa, whoa there.
SPEAKER_05So I pause.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you've been a little while still, bro.
SPEAKER_05So like um, that was your you say this was your first time? Yeah, first time. And it's because you got drafted, right?
SPEAKER_08That was um that was a rookie year.
SPEAKER_04You got drafted, yeah.
SPEAKER_08That wasn't that was my second year. We sure that was my sec yeah, that was my second year because um because Lace was there. And Lace and I didn't, we we weren't together after my rookie year. We got together.
SPEAKER_04Second year.
SPEAKER_08Second year.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I remember Lace was there. Yeah, I remember that.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, because uh because my homegirl Samantha Sam and and Frank and all them was there too.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was somebody other people there too.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, it was a whole bunch of my friends from college was there. I'll talk about that later. I remember that. Yeah.
Masculinity, Marriage, And Household Balance
SPEAKER_05Nope. That was uh that was the Ciroc days. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that was Ciroc days. You know, when uh so I'm gonna tell you this this is how marketing goes at the casino. So when is whenever they call it, well, they don't say it, but this is what they really want to say, so I'm gonna say what they really want to say. The nigga holidays, your Memorial Day Labor Days, what they'll do on the loading docks. So those weekends they'll order cases of extra cases of Ciroc and Hennessy, only Ciroc and Hennessy, because that's what they know that people are buying. So they'll have pallets waiting for other Sirocks and Hennessy. So what happens is okay, you got league, and somebody else from the league. So they know they're betting on them having bottle wars, right? So and the wars with nobody. So once once they see what let's say, let's say you got Brandon Marshall next to y'all, right? Or let's say you got like, let's say Ron Artez. I'm just throwing out names, right? Right. If they see that you order one bottle, they're gonna order two because they had to impress everybody around them. So let's say your minimum is like what they've got. Let's say the minimum is like 2500, right? If the minimum is 2500, then they're gonna they know that you're gonna go well over your minimum because now you're having bottle rewards with these people uh next to you because what comes with the bottles, women, what else comes with the you know what I'm saying? So they're betting on that. Yeah, so lame crazy. Yeah, so fucking lame. And that's the days when all the scammers used to have money too. They used to run the camera, the uh the credit card shit.
SPEAKER_04I was I was in jail with them scammers when I happen up here. A couple of cups of cameras ever there's credit cards.
SPEAKER_02It was the pimps and the scammers, yeah. I was real close with a scammer, yeah. Yeah, I was too real close. Y'all y'all know who he is. Y'all know the scammer. We'll see. I'll tell y'all off camera. Yeah, y'all know who he is. How long have you been a vegan? What year is this? 2026? Yeah. Ooh, June 4th will be 12 years. Damn, that's a long time. The power of willful ignorance cannot be overstated.
SPEAKER_05I told somebody this the other day, um, you know, I talk a little shit, whatever. I said, no, actually I told Tatone. I said, um, I said we were talking about barbecue or something shit. I said, I don't eat pork, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of shit I don't eat, but I don't eat pork, right? He's like, why you don't eat pork? You know, that's that's what the that's what we grew up on. I said, can you pour pork down, can you put uh bacon grease down the sink? He said, I never thought about that. Nah, I said, what happens? It cogs your pipes. He said, we got acid in our bodies though. I said, but yeah, when the greet when all that shit, you know, fucking overloads your the the shit that's supposed to break it down, what happens? And you know it cogs everything, arteries. That's why that's why uh you know people be having like high blood pressure, you know, diabetes, stuff like that, which is uh which is all reversible, but the they don't tell you that, but you know, um, you know, it it's stuff that I if if they said it used to be slave food, slaves used to eat shit like whatever. That's crazy. I don't want I don't want that, you know what I'm saying? Like what makes me want slave food? Right, you know what I'm saying? Like what that doesn't even that never impress me, like you know, like so when people say that I'm like, no, I don't know fucking slave food. You know, that's just been me.
SPEAKER_04No, I'll get I give you coming from. I give you coming from, but I think it's growing up with it and having it all the time. People get so accustomed to it, not accustomed to it, but it's so comfortable with it. Like, oh it's comfort. I miss comfort things. That's what's called comfort food because it's Sunday dinners. Yeah, you used to your grandma making it so it's comfortable, like you can let it, and it's good. It is good, it is good, it's good. I ain't I ain't eating no pig ears or pig pig feet. I did just eat chiplins though, I ain't gonna lie. You're a skunk. I know I used to clean them your mom's idea. That's why you was a line there. I eat chiplings because you know the.
SPEAKER_05I bet you I bet you your porridge used to stink.
SPEAKER_03Like you could just dump back at the ward, like you're too young to meet it, but your hair didn't grow. Not no more off of the chip line. I bet you the one of those musty ass kids.
SPEAKER_04I stayed the order to pack that shit up, but uh back in the day, yeah, that's the crazy nigga. Chitlins? Chitlins. Nah.
SPEAKER_02Chitlins, three puns. Did you eat them? You ate him with hot sauce? Language or just naked?
SPEAKER_04No, that's crazy. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05So what you think you're Puerto Rican or something? Bro, he's where he's Dominican post. You think you Dominican? I'm Dominican on the weekends. Me too. No, no, no, no, no. You just a freaky boy.
SPEAKER_03That's true. That's true. Freaky man.
SPEAKER_05That's true. Okay, so all right, going back to y'all podcast. Uh, what made y'all start this podcast?
SPEAKER_04I mean, you know. Well, no, honestly, bro, it's we uh like we love cigars, right? Talk about cigars. We all and then when we go have our cigar sessions, us four, we get into like a talk that is like so organic, but so deep. It's it's it cuts past service level. It's not about sports, and it goes to like what we feel like how we feel um as men. Do we feel comfortable? Are we um are we uh confident with not stuff? It got it got so deep, it's so deep. Yeah, so much got so deep. It was like, bro, I thought in my head, I was like, bro, we gotta, we gotta, it's people, everybody in the world feel the way we're feeling and can have the same feeling we're feeling, but they didn't have no, they have no um no outlet, they have nobody they feel can be comfortable saying this in front of. I said we should put this put this in put this on tape. And I think you had mentioned it a couple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I really tried to put it, I said it's a couple times before I really like put it, put to put some.
SPEAKER_05Before we actually made it out the group chat.
SPEAKER_04Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_05As there normally a lot of shit stays in the group chat. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04But this one's like heavy on because we all got so many scars we we've uh put band-aids on and just keep going because as men, you know, shit, we gotta we keep going. You know, as the man, you can't, it's not it's frowned upon to be be vulnerable and uh emotional. Um so but I just talk much like that, letting stuff out is I feel like some people need to need to hear that and see that. Us black, especially black men, we just see like, hey man, it's it's okay to be human. You know what I mean? It's okay to show that you that you bleed. It's okay. Um that's that's that's called growth. That's called uh being secure within yourself and being a man and not a male.
SPEAKER_05You know to piggyback, I keep on referencing you guys' podcast, but I mean I watch it, so I you know, I you know, so um appreciate that, bro. You know, you guys had a thing, and you talked about it on multiple podcasts, but like um where you talk about like masculinity, right? And uh you guys all touched on it and say your piece or whatever. And um I kind of identify with Snug's piece more because I like kind of like what he said. I mean, all y'all is good, right? But um, like what he said, it was like shit, okay. Like my ears is my ears peeking, you know, sound like some shit. But serious about it. Yeah, but no, but like a lot of men, they don't talk about that kind of stuff, you know, because we we kind of live in a world where like it's click clickbait and viral moments and shit like that. And um, you know, that's what I kind of after like three renditions of this podcast, maybe even four, um that's what I kind of talk about is like either building yourself up as a as a man, like masculine shit, but we talk about the dating marketplace for men, like so you gotta always build yourself up or whatever. We touch on women, but we also touch on entrepreneurship and um or like highlight things that people are doing, um shit just in the community around the world, whatever. Um, and it's dope that you guys are doing that because like a lot of guys they'll they'll talk about certain things, but like they is like kind of cliche. You know what I'm saying? It's like kind of like it's not nuanced and stuff. So like you know, you guys could every viewer, it's kind of good that you guys are not all the same because every person that watches you guys' podcast can actually uh take from somebody. Like, like, for example, like Sean, he he he said, he he said on the thing, he said, um, well, I don't look at shit as masculine. I look at it like this. I'm not I'm I'm living in the now. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm I'm living in the now, not I'm not worried about you know, building this legacy. I'm not worried about looking, I'm living in the now, taking care of what I gotta take care of, and then like his balance of his house, same thing with DJ, like the balance of your household and stuff. Are y'all all married? Yep. Yep. Oh shit, fuck. All right. You know, how how is how is that? You know, how's the how's the balance? Because like for years, I mean, I'm a dater. Like I love, you know, if I'm if I'm with a woman, like, you know, she's gonna get that aspect. But like Playboy. Yeah, I was that, and I didn't really believe in marriage. Okay, you know, I still kind of don't to a degree. Uh I would get married. I've been engaged before, but like I never uh believed in marriage like that because it's like shit. I seen one, I seen a lot of failed marriage. I started doing the numbers, I'm a business guy, so I started doing the numbers in my head. I'm like, shit.
SPEAKER_04Analytics, don't do that now.
SPEAKER_02You got your heart broke.
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SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, for sure. I got my heart broke. Yeah, when you got engaged, you believed in marriage, no? No, not really. Um how did you get no? So, okay, so at the time I didn't believe in marriage, but I believed that she was the right one for me, so like I could meet her halfway. Oh so like I'm all for compromising and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? But I believe if I ever do get married, I'm not saying I would never get married because I'm open to it. But if I ever get married, it's only one time. It's like it's like death doers, you know, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_08Like, is it the is it the practice of being married, like going through the the steps of having the ceremony and going to this and this, like, because I know some people say like they don't got paperwork. It's the it's the paperwork. They don't feel like they have to get married to be committed to that person. Yeah, or or say that it's pretty much that.
SPEAKER_05Because look at think about like this. For me, I'm obviously you guys are married, so you know, um, I could put you on my life insurance, I could put you in my IRA, I could put you on my uh my living trust, I could put you on my health benefits, I could put you on my flight benefits, I could put you on a lot of different things. So for me, like what do I need to sign this paper for? But you know, like I said earlier, like my values are more conservative. So like I I believe in a lot of traditional shit, right? I just don't believe in I'm more of a person that like I gotta weigh out, I gotta everything I look at in business aspects. So, you know, I weigh it out and I'm like, okay, well, you know, I always weigh certain things out and certain people, and I know I study human behavior, I read a lot of books, and I study a lot of the different human behaviors, and I understand the aspect of uh people change. You know, so most of the time, and I'm not putting no knock on women or whatever, but most of the time they hit that cycle where they do, they do, they go through their change. Most of the time, like once we're comfortable and once we're practical, we we in it, you know what I'm saying? And then they they kind of do their thing, and we do too. Sometimes we fuck up, we get too comfortable, and we're we lack on things that we should be doing, or we think that, okay, how I got her, this is how I'm gonna keep her, and I don't have to do nothing, I don't have to date her no more, right? And but a lot of cases I see, I grew up with a lot of women, you know, um, and a lot of cases I seen, whether my family members, my my mom's friends, shit, my mom. Sorry, um sorry. Like, I seen a lot of different things where it would be like okay, at year seven to ten, they had a thing where they kind of had a rocky. Yeah, they they kind of hit a switch where they want to they now they want to do this, this, and this and that. And you know, and I'm like, okay, that's cool, we could grow, but like now you're doing a full 360 and you might want something else, especially during the internet time and stuff like that, you know. And you know, I'm a big firm believer in I don't believe in feminism. Like I don't celebrate it. I think that's um I think we both need each other. Um But I think like feminism is like the worst thing that could happen to a woman. Like, what you mean by that? Like, I think if you get indoctored by feminism, like the feminist practice, the feminist practice, um, first off, if I go back, like a lot of that was never for a lot of women of color, right? Uh interesting.
SPEAKER_02And you still have that that outlook growing up with women.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, like no, I don't believe in that shit. Because like I think the feminist movement got hijacked. Feminism, I believe in feminine women. Let me tell you that. Let me put that out there. But feminism is like the movement, their movement is like a Me Too clause type thing. No, it's all that they could they they're independent, is uh is all about the the woman. They I could do it all by myself. I don't need no help. I'm gonna try to be this top earner, like that's the movement, all right, right? So I don't believe in the feminist movement, you know what I'm saying? Because it started off as one thing, got hijacked, like everything, like the Me Too movement got started off, it started off as one thing, got hijacked by other women, and you know what I'm saying? I thought I thought feminist was all about equal rights, women being treated equally. That's how that's how it kind of started off in a way. But then it started being like, okay, well, we need to be treated equal, but now I could do all by myself. I'm independent. I'm an independent woman, you know.
SPEAKER_04All by myself started back in they started it flooding our communities with with with drugs, and then I think the third some of the third team got started, or something like that, when they uh was was flooding the jails with black men, and they started having social security and food stamps and the women. That's when the I could do all by myself. They ain't need us no more. They needed men. They took out they what they wanted to do was take the black, strong men out the household. That's that's a fact, and it started creating single parents, single households, and they start breaking the community down. I start reagonomics type thing.
SPEAKER_06So it's called like rebrinking or something like that.
SPEAKER_04I can't remember. But definitely the war the the war on cr on drugs, whatever. That was that was created.
SPEAKER_05I think that women are special. I think that men are special. I think that um, you know, I think I'm a I'm a firm believer we're better together, right? But at the same time, um like I don't I don't look at us as equals. You know what I'm saying? I don't look at a woman as equal as me, and I don't look at you know me as equal as them. I think that they have their own sort of like sometimes it's like a sliding scale. Like, so I believe that in certain aspects, they're like well like up here beyond me, right? And then and then certain aspects is I I gotta look up what feminism is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And so because I I'm a I'm a I'm I have a daughter, so you kinda like hold on now.
SPEAKER_05I believe in feminine women. Like I only I will only date a woman if she's feminine.
SPEAKER_04Like I don't need it uh you mean like passive or like uh submissive?
SPEAKER_05See, I think some people tie in uh submissiveness to femininity.
SPEAKER_07Um that's a lot of passive misery. A feminist is an advocate.
SPEAKER_02A feminist is an advocate of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. What's wrong with that? That's what it's saying. A feminist is an advocate of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
SPEAKER_08I think I think what he's saying is it started off as that, and then it can't, and then it turned to um the independent woman. So the definition of it got misconstrued. It's it's not the movement, it's not what it's supposed to be.
SPEAKER_04Like entitlement, the negative connotation? That's what he's saying.
SPEAKER_05It's kind of like it's kind of like the um the negative connotation is like maybe you can't support what what it's supposed to be. I support you being the best you. I support you being um I support you being uh Do you support women having equal rights? I mean, they have equal rights. Come on down. What what right do you think about equal?
SPEAKER_02I mean I think I love about podcasts. No, I think it's a known fact that in the workplace w I don't know the exact numbers, but women don't earn like men earn. Where where is in what workplace?
SPEAKER_05In today's time. Uh I anywhere. I can say anywhere. I think okay. Don't either though. Okay, so I think that in today's time, I think in today's time, uh the wage gap is a total myth. Um, because actually women out-earn men in today's time. Um and um a lot of times if we have the wage gap argument, it's because women uh pick careers. They're more educated. Yeah, so women are way more educated, but they pick careers a lot of times that is not as highly structured. But if we go to the same work atmospheres, most of the time women kind of earn the same, or the guy would outperform them because he takes less days off, because you know, most of the time he a lot of times he's a head of household and stuff like that. So he's gonna argue for his raise rather than accept what they're giving him type deal. Not all the time. I'm saying something. Yeah, I don't I don't know. And so um, yeah, so women are more educated than us. Um, and I will go as far as if you look at uh blackstatistics.com, women actually have the most degrees up into a master's. Um so up into a master's, black women hold the most degrees. I actually saw that the other day. Yeah, now if you say with their degrees in, a lot of degrees is in bullshit, but um you mean by bullshit?
SPEAKER_09Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05Like so a lot of so a lot of degrees, I'm a I'm a firm believer in a lot of degrees like you don't need to go to school for. So like a lot of times, like, for example, like all right, I'll say it like this. A lot of degrees you will never out earn what you pay for that degree.
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SPEAKER_05Right? So it's uh so instead of going to college for that, you could go to a trade school for something, right? Um so a lot of times women go to school because either it's paid for or they want to go, but a lot of times I don't even know what they want to major in, they're just going just to go, right? That's everybody that goes to college. But women go more than us, most on average. Women hold more degrees. Like more guys go to trade school.
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SPEAKER_02I would think that would be a testament to the fact that they don't get the same opportunities as men. So that's the way that's they get more opportunities, they got more grace out of the education because I'm not gonna get that shot if I don't have these degrees versus this man. Because he's a man, he's gonna get a shot. He don't even need these degrees.
SPEAKER_05It's that sounds good for like twenty years ago, thirty years, maybe thirty years ago, actually, but I think women get the same opportunity if it's not more. And um And most and most and actually most businesses are incentivized to have certain women, uh a number a certain number of women hired, and that's why in certain practices you see a lot of guys that is way more women than there probably should be in that field, you know, in in the more rugged field, and they're not there because they want to actually be there, it's because like, okay, I I got this job, it's it was cool or whatever, you know what I'm saying? But um, I think that women in today's time, I think they have equal, if not more, rights than most men, especially black men.
SPEAKER_06I don't know.
SPEAKER_05Think about it. I could go follow, I could go right now to family court, right? And I could petition a court for joint custody, right? I had to pay for it, she won't. Why is that? I think I thought we were supposed to be equal.
SPEAKER_08And there's a lot of other things, you know, and it's that also depends on what state you're in.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, as of as of mid-2024, women had approximately 10.4%, 52 of Fortune 500 companies, marking a significant milestone exceeding 10% for the first time, yet reflecting persistent underrepresentation compared to men. While the number of female CEOs has grown from 41 in 2021, men still overwhelmingly hold nearly 90% of these top leadership positions. This is being said after you just admitted that women have more degrees and more education. How does that don't equate?
SPEAKER_05See what I said? They have more degrees, but a lot of the degrees that they have is, let's be honest, is bullshit. It's bullshit for guys and girls, but what I'm saying is you can have a degree and a degree to nowhere. You know what I'm saying? So I could go to school for four years, get a degree in under fucking gras underground basket weaving, and I got a degree in that. But you know, like I don't know. What what's give me an example of I can have a I I could have a degree that a woman would what does it what what does a liberal arts degree typically earn on average? And you that's it that's most women.
SPEAKER_02No, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just throwing that out there. That's just a general degree. Yeah, it's just general degree. You don't you don't you don't really know what you want to specialize in, so you just get a general.
SPEAKER_08It's like interdisciplinary studies. Yeah. Like it's like, oh, that sounds fancy, but what is it? Uh it's something.
SPEAKER_05I know people that I know people that have degrees in massage therapy and work with me. I know people that's lawyers and doctors that work with me. You know, uh, all I'm saying is women go to school more, and that's good. But like I'm a firm believer in you shouldn't go to school if you're just going to school for any degrees because especially if you don't have a scholarship, because why rack up this debt?
SPEAKER_02So you're saying men, men choose the better degrees, the better majors when they're in college?
SPEAKER_05Well, most of the time they choose like uh most of the time they choose like um like trades. In college?
SPEAKER_02No, they go to trade school versus college. But okay, but when they when men do go to college, we men choose better degrees?
SPEAKER_05A lot of times, yes. Okay. Not all the time. But a lot of times because like we know that eventually I I do too, I love just shooting pocket. Uh we know eventually that we had to kind of figure out I mean most let and let's be honest, most kids when they first get to college, they don't know what the fuck they want to go for. But a lot of times we had to pick a uh a major in a degree that we have to be the head of household, we have to provide right out the bat. You know what I'm saying? And a lot of times on the other side, they have they have the options to do other things, and you know, they know that they're still taken care of most of the time. Like you got a daughter, you probably if your daughter went to school for let's say she went to the school.
SPEAKER_08I don't necessarily agree with that. I and I say that from from my experience, I I don't know, maybe it was the school I went to, but for the most part if I really sit and think about it, most of the women that I went to college with are actually in the field that they that they that they chose. Um me in a sense, not not really. It wasn't my bachelor's, no. My bachelor's does not correlate to the career that I have now. But I had to school to get a I had to go to school to get my master's. When I got my master's, yeah, that actually correlates. But I also think that it's there's a difference in in in in times now. Like when we grew up, like I there was trade schools, but it wasn't there wasn't a push. No, yeah, it wasn't. There was a push. We all you also got to think of where we are here, like in Vegas. And I and I say that as somebody who works in the education system, like there is no, hey, what college are you going to next year? There's there's none of that. It's it's oh, I can as soon as I graduate, I'm about to go work on the strip, yeah, and I'm about to valet and make a whole bunch of money. But when I went to school in Cali, everybody it was everybody was like, hey, where are you going next year? Like you tell us. Yeah. But it's it's a it's a different, it's a different time now and it's a it's a location. Like you got, I didn't realize how many colleges was in Cali. Yes. Like in northern in northern Cali alone, it's it's Stanford, it's Berkeley, it's Cal State East Bay, it's Cal State. I mean, like uh San Francisco State, University of San Francisco, Mills College. You had um Chabot, you had isn't Cali the most uh college concentrated? Probably. But and and then you talking about Southern Cali, the Cal State Northridge, Cal State Fullerton, Cal State State, uh, Dominguez Hills. It's all the city. Right by Dominguez Hills, too. Hey, first of all, Dominguez Hills popping. Yeah, yeah. Party Central. What? Yeah, man, listen, the the the the capital parties we have down there, rocking. Anyways, but like I think it's a different time now. So like when we were getting ready to go off to college and stuff, like that that was the push. But now you don't need to really you don't need to go to college.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_08It's like you don't so what you so your point of saying, like the the trade school stuff, like that's more it's not looked at as like a a four-year university, like a UNLV or a UNR or something like that. It's like a specific concentration, like this is my major, is building cars. It's it's this. Um but I also think that life life ends up taking taking over. So like I can say my wife, my wife, she got a bachelor's in cell and molecular biology, and then she got a master's in forensic psychology. But life ended up taking over. You know what I'm saying? So she's a special education.
SPEAKER_05Well, that's a good degree. Those are two degrees to have. I mean, well, she's a decision.
SPEAKER_08She wanted she wanted to go to um, she wanted to work for the FBI, she wanted to work for Quantico, she wanted to go to Quantico, she wanted to interview mass murders and serial killers. That's that's what she wanted to do. But what happened was we got together. I was in the in my second year in the league. She didn't want to have to go all the way across the country. So she was working as a special education uh education teacher until she figured out, and then she realized, like, nope, like this is I'm cool with this because I'm cool with where I am in life now. And and yeah, like she didn't work like get a job in her field, but shit, life happened. And I I think that's the un that's the unfortunate thing. But it wasn't it wasn't intentional. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, let me go get my master's in mathematics, and next thing you know, I'm working at fucking Starbucks.
SPEAKER_06Or I'm a butt's intentional though. Like Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Life happened. Yeah. Life, life be life in. So, but like I said, I do think that's the point though, but go on. Yeah, like it's I don't know, shit be high, but like I say, it's it's a different time now. Like, it's it man, it's way different. Like how how I value education. Wait, prove what point?
SPEAKER_06About women going to college and not using.
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SPEAKER_05Why why does that only apply to women then? I know I didn't say it was only women, but that was mostly mostly women, because a lot of times, a lot of times here's a perfect example. I know a lot of women, right? We all know a lot of women, right? They go to college, right? Whiz Wiz is one of the number one professions in Vegas. They're hoes. They become whole. I'm not saying they're all whole. So look, she went to so she was so but it's true though, like so they uh a lot of times they'll go to school, and I'm not saying this is all I'm I'm not speaking for the majority. Um I'm not speaking for the minority, I'm speaking for the a lot of girls. Yeah, they yeah, yeah, so I know at least, and I did over 1500 reports on this. So I know at least 200 girls, women, that they went to school, right? They were going to school, and they started touching fast money, or they meet this guy, he, you know, getting their head in Vegas. I'm just talking about in Vegas. Um and they end up selling, you know, or they end up working at Lil Darling to support school or something like that or whatever. And then they get stuck in that life. Same thing with the guys, they they see the fast money, and you know, they in the you know, a lot of these guys here, they their aspirations is to be peas. Like when we were coming out of high school, we know one out of I say two out of every four guys was trying to be a P, you know, or a drug dealer. You know, we know a lot of them, especially especially at our school. I didn't know I didn't I never met so many hoes until I started working on this, on, on uh at the Hard Rock. I said, God damn, I just went to high school with her and now she's selling ass at the Hard Rock and she getting trespassed. That's crazy. She just did a trick. This girl just but what I'm saying is um, and then now we live in a culture where dudes is flying them out, doing this, doing that. So they might go to school and then and they might get that degree. And they just getting this fast money over here. So they was like, fuck that degree. I'm getting this fast money, doing this and this and that. So women are educated. Women, um, like I said, black women hold the most degrees up into past once you get past the master's, that's then it goes Asian. It's not even white, it's like Asian, and then you know what I mean. But these are bullshit degrees. No, I didn't say all of them was bullshit degrees. I said they go a lot of times they go to school for bullshit degrees. Like it's certain things that you probably shouldn't go to school for in a rack of$120,000 worth of debt. That's too much damn money, period. But think about it, what's the average college degree? I don't even know anymore. The average college degree, if you go to a at Cal, if you're not on scholarship or if you don't have that um It was$40,000 a year. Yeah, that was when you were there just almost 20 years ago. 2011. Damn. Oh 2011. Okay, so 14 years ago, 15 years ago, right? We go round up. So now the average degree, now the now shit, just yearly, the average tuition is 40,000 a year, you know, at a per at a place like Stanford Cal, UCLA, USC, you know, the the cost of degrees went up, but it the the jobs and the the job needs are not meeting those, you know. So I tell people like, hey, if you don't know what you don't want to go to school for, just don't go to school to go to school because like that's expensive. And you're gonna be complaining about school student loan debt, and then you're never gonna make that back. I tell girls, shit, I see I see so many women I work in aviation, I see so many women as pilot. That is a smart degree to have. I mean, smart, that's a smart career to have. I mean, because one, you could go to school for it, but you don't need to go to school for it, you just need to have the experience. And just with my company alone, we probably have over uh 500 women pilots. So um first between first officers and you know, it's more of first officers than pilots, but we have we do have a lot of women pilots. Pilots though, the captain, you know. Um and so shit. I mean, and then you they getting the degrees like I know a lot of girls that got like like a lot of degrees in like different linguistics. But you don't know any men that uh that fit in the No, it's uh I said it was a lot of men, but they women go to school more, so you know I went to school to play football. That's the only reason why I went to school. I went to Well where'd you get your what was your man? I went to school that I didn't need to go to school for. I went to school for business administration. Pointless degree. Oh, that's the football degree. Yeah. I went to school for business administration, huh? Or criminal justice. Criminal justice or political science that they used to go to school. I take one political science class in college. Yeah, and then let and let's be honest, college is not college anymore, college is indoctrination camps nowadays. Don't say that at college for like a lot of times, like they're not teaching you shit. They're teaching you about political, like the political climate and stuff. They're turning everybody into you know uh activists and stuff, and they got everybody fighting for shit at campuses that they don't need to fight. I'm like, what the hell? Like, you know, like I I got a lot of kids that coach that um I'll go see them or you know, I'll go with them on their college tours and stuff like that. And I'm not gonna say nothing, but I'm thinking to myself, like, shit, like like they're not gonna they're not gonna learn nothing here. Or like I was at a a college graduation and I'm look looking at some of the degrees and I'm like, damn, all these degrees are already replaced by AI. And I'm just sitting there like in attendance, and I'm like, all these degrees are literally AI degrees. My sister, for example, she went to UNLV for like dance or something, like that was like her major, right? And I taught her how to I had a talk with her. I'm like, nah, you're not about to waste all that money, you know what I'm saying? And so then she wind up, um, she wound up going to um like uh medical like the medical trade schools for uh she's a dental, she's I forgot where she is. Yeah, and so like that's cool, that's great. You know, that's what you should go if you you know, that's a good career, a stable career to have, you know. But a lot of these degrees, like I I've seen so many arts degrees, and I'm like, they just paid a hundred thousand dollars for an art degree. And AI literally replacing people in all these fields and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_02Man, nobody could have predicted that though. Well, yeah, I think you said you go to, I didn't know you went to Pasadena. What was your major?
SPEAKER_08Criminal justice. Well, what are you doing right now, though?
SPEAKER_06That's different though.
SPEAKER_08What are you doing right now?
SPEAKER_06Police officer. Oh, okay. Criminal justice.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, like school for engineering.
SPEAKER_03Let's go in there.
SPEAKER_06Stick my boy at. Oh, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02I I'd rather teach kids women. Because you've given a lot of examples on the women that you know. I if I was to have advice for women, the women do you know any men that got degrees that they're not?
SPEAKER_05I know plenty of men that got pointless degrees. Okay. But I I I my my flight here, especially on this podcast, I push them more to trade schools. If you don't trade schools like if you don't know what you want to be, if you don't got a ride, if you don't got, if you want to just go for some basic shit, even business management, business administration, I don't suggest you going to school for that. You know, because I could teach you how to run a bit uh like a fucking business like and make some long dough. I could, you know, you could mostly look the managers at my jobs, they start off at$94,000 a year. None of them, majority of them don't have degrees. Our station manager doesn't have a degree and she makes$190 plus bonuses a year.$180 to$190, depending on the year, you know, and the bonuses that she that she gets or whatever. You know, um so what I would say is if you don't know what you really want to go to, and I think that you should only really go to college for like medicine, law, uh, and you know, diff like what his wife went to school for, that's like a great degree to have. But like you, you know, you got you can't just go for four years, you gotta keep on, you know. Same thing with medicine. You can't just go for four years, you gotta keep on upping that, right? So while you're trying to figure it out, uh try to go get go get some trades or some shit like that.
SPEAKER_08You know what I'm saying? The whole educational system needs a revamping though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's asking an 18-year-old to choose what they're gonna do for the rest of their life at 18 is that makes no sense. Yeah, that makes no sense.
SPEAKER_08That's why I black. Because what I'm doing now, I didn't know I wanted to do this until I was 26, 27. But yeah, the whole the whole system needs to be revamped because there there needs to be different tracks. So, and I say that working in the school, there my opinion, I think for uh high school kids, there needs to be three tracks. If you want to just go to the workforce, that's one track. Like you take these classes, you do wood chop or you do AutoCAD or you do whatever. I mean, whatever. Um How many kids are gonna say, I want to go to the workforce? You'd be surprised. Like some of some of my football people.
SPEAKER_04They'll say workforce, they'll say, like, because for trade school isn't isn't pushed. Like, I know a couple people in the trade school, like even now, I talked to my my hall IBW, like, maybe you talk to the high schools, like, no, not really, they don't really let us seem like that. And I don't I gotta talk to you about that. I don't know why. But trade schools aren't pushed. Most kids don't know about they know some, they heard electricity before they heard about plumbers, but they don't know how to get there. Trade schools aren't pushed like that in school, they aren't, even to this day. If kids start with if trade school is pushed to this day, how how it should be, a lot of kids are not going to college.
SPEAKER_08Maybe no, but but but in my opinion, that that's okay. Yeah, because because college is not for it's not for everybody, but that's why I say it needs to be revamped, because we still have this old school mindset of you gotta go to college, you gotta go to college. It's like, no, you bro, you you don't. As much as I as much as I want my kids to go to college, like for right now, like my football players. I'm like, no, okay, oh, you're not going to college football? What's your plan? Oh, coach, I'm gonna go work, I'm gonna go do this with my dad, and he already got me set up with this. Is it oh okay, are you gonna go to trade? If you go to trade, cool. Like, but continue to learn. Education don't have to be sitting in the classroom for four years and doing all that stuff. That's that's out the window because is it the the generation after us thinks that going to college is still the way? I don't think so either.
SPEAKER_04No, because anybody I don't think no trade is either.
SPEAKER_08No, the generation after us don't think that that's the way. It's the people who are in positions of power, the counselors, the uh, the administration who are still pushing, you got to get this on your ACT, you gotta do this so you can go to college. When that's that's that's that's not that's not the way. No, that's not the way anymore. Like when you if you tell me I can go and I can be an entrepreneur, I can go work here and I can make way more money and not have student loan debt, then cool. But for somebody like me, like I have to go to school to make it to the pros.
SPEAKER_07I have to.
SPEAKER_08Yep. So I gotta I gotta I gotta do what I gotta do, and I'm gonna have to go sit in school for at least three years. But other than that, no, the system needs to be revamped.
SPEAKER_05And let's normalize, like instead of trying to send kids off to a four-year right out the bat, send them to a junior college, get their core shit knocked out. Out the way, you know what I'm saying? Out the way, because that's gonna knock down a chunk of your money. Like, I don't it's hard here. We don't have no junior college. That's that's the problem here. We don't have any junior college. Uh that is not a lot of junior college, so you know what the junior college is it's only fans.
SPEAKER_02You know, have to think about that for a second. Yeah, so I get it. Yeah, I mean CSM would equate, no?
SPEAKER_08CSN's four years now. Yeah, it's been caught.
SPEAKER_05It's CSNC or something. Unless it's still cheaper to go there. Years ago, I tried to I tried to push with some guys this campaign of trying to get like at more athletics to CSN. This is when I really gave a fuck, but now I mean I don't. Um like when it comes down to like trying to in better like sit that like they already gotten set up. Um they their their thing was I said, look, your enrollment would go like quadruple if you had a football team. If you had this. I even was Like I said in meetings, I could show I wrote papers and did all this with with other guys and stuff like that. And um, and like they was like there this whole thing was like funding, funding, funding, funding. We don't have we don't have enough funding or support for athletics. I'm like, well, technically you kind of do because like this is shit 12, 13 years ago. Technically, you kind of do because you know you're getting this, this, and that. And if you know how business works, these casinos love to monkey write-offs. They like to they love write-offs. So that's the name of the game, right there. Get in business, get in line with people. Like, did you know a lot of I know a lot of like Jewish people? They don't really push cods. Like, and I always wonder that they push, they they set their their grandfathers and the great grandfathers, they set their grandchildren up. So it's their responsibility to set the their grandchildren up, right? And so um, like some might go to college, but they're real particular on what they go to school for, finance, dental, shit like that, right? Other than that, they they set them up with the business. And I think that's what everybody should do. Like, we can't make the excuses now. We're not oppressed anymore. Like, that's how I feel. We're not oppressed. Look, let me tell you something. My mother, she she's she's a doctor. What makes you oppressed?
SPEAKER_02Uh we ain't we don't have time for that. Yeah, we got time.
SPEAKER_05No, we don't have time for that. Can can you go? Can you go do whatever you want to do?
SPEAKER_02Depends on what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_05You could go do whatever you want to do if you want to, if you could put your head to it. I could go look. It depends. I touch, and this is from the person that like he knows he seemed my lowest. I got shot, had to rebuild. I came back with all this money, all these things, and without no help from nobody, right? I came back.
SPEAKER_02You're super conservative.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so what I'm saying is, and my grandfather was like this too. My uncle, he owns, he has planes, he he's a pilot. My mom, she's a therapist. My grandma, she, she, you know, she's retired well, whatever, is because like they just had that mindset. You if you have that mindset to do what you want to do, like, look, get into the NFL, is that hard or easy? It's hard as shit, right? It's not easy. It's it's easy to a certain point, but you gotta have the determination to to to do it, right? Like you just can't be like, well, I'm just gonna hope that I hold on, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_04Wait, wait a fucking minute. Wait a minute. You can roll past that. It's easy to get to the NFL.
SPEAKER_08For somebody who's been there, yeah, it's easy to get there. The hard part is staying. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I mean, yeah, I I can't really argue that, but I I don't see how it's easy to get to the NFL.
SPEAKER_05I can't argue with it. Okay, hold on. I've never been there. Hold on. I only went as far as arena football. Hold on.
SPEAKER_08So if it was easy, everybody would do it. That's my favorite too. There's a lot that goes that there's a lot that goes into it, but I say it's I say it's easy because how many four-year starters do you know in college who didn't make it? I know plenty. I wasn't a starter in college. Y'all know that. I started I started one year. I wasn't, I didn't run no four or three, I didn't do so. For me, playing the game was easy.
SPEAKER_04Playing the game was easy.
SPEAKER_08Playing the game was easy. Doing my job was easy. Like having the playing the game in the NFL. I'm talking about in college. We're talking, I'm talking about getting there. I'm trying to get there. That wasn't that wasn't hard. I gotta work out, I gotta jump, I gotta do that stuff was easy. When you get there, that's the that's your that's the hard part.
SPEAKER_04I still don't get it. I don't get it.
SPEAKER_08I get I I get I get because you're but you're not going to because you haven't you haven't you haven't been there.
SPEAKER_06So I get I can I get what he's saying. Easy and you was doing your job, you will be there.
SPEAKER_02He said it's hard to stay. It's easy to get there, but it's hard to stay.
SPEAKER_06But he's doing his job. He should be there though, right?
SPEAKER_02No, he's not according to his argument.
SPEAKER_06Right, but I'm getting it.
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm I get I I get the I get I get his argument what he's saying.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I get the nuance of what he's saying because I ain't gonna lie, like I probably could have been like I only went as far as arena football. I only played arena football. I know a lot of guys that go ahead, my phone.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, go ahead, go ahead. When you asked him about is it easy or hard to get in the in an FL, what were you anticipating his answer to be?
SPEAKER_05It's hard because you gotta put it, you gotta put in the state.
SPEAKER_02So he was saying it was easy, threw you off.
SPEAKER_05It didn't really throw me off because I got what after a while. Yeah, after a while I kind of got what he was saying. But for the most, let's say like this. For most people, yeah, it is hard because you know they got to go through the steps, and you're you're you're you're good, you're competing against a lot of people every day, right? Yeah, I was gonna say, just numbers. Yeah, share numbers, school, you know, you just but what he's saying is in in reality, he all he had to do was just show he showed up and did what he had to do. But the on the flip side, but that's not easy.
SPEAKER_02Well, if I mean it was easy to put in all that work. That's not easy.
SPEAKER_06My motherfuckers that's hard work done it and who didn't make it. So that shit ain't easy. That shit hard as hell.
SPEAKER_04Shit work hard as hell and didn't.
SPEAKER_02So the people, the the people, the the people that didn't make it, you're they didn't do what they were supposed to do? Okay.
SPEAKER_08Y'all ask me the fucking question. Yeah, I'm just gonna go. Y'all the people who didn't make it didn't do what they were supposed to do. Or how many people do we know who is like, oh man, he got talent. He could play the but it's oh he's too short, he's too this, he's too that. Like now, granted, it's stuff that they can't control. Yeah, measurables and stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it's a lot that goes with it, but so it's not easy then. You have to be born with first you gotta be born with these certain attributes. So that's a luck of the draw.
SPEAKER_07It depend it that's that's it's a whole nother matrix. It depends.
SPEAKER_02So think about So you don't know anybody who put in the work the way they were supposed to, and what your homeboy DJ, him he made it to the league?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Well, no, he didn't he didn't play no games. Like he didn't play, he wasn't on no teams. Yes, he was. He started he played who's on 53 man roster? He was with the Redskins. I thought he was in the practice squad. He still was with the Redskins. I I I I thought I thought that was different. I thought that was different. I thought the 53 man roster was in the practice squad. So hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, I thought that roster was different than the practice squad. Yeah, okay. That's what I thought. Hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER_08Hold on, hold on. So it don't count that somebody's in the NFL if they're on the fifth if they're on the practice squad. Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER_02It don't sound like it. I don't think they would consider them so.
SPEAKER_08Hey, hey, for that's such that's such bullshit.
SPEAKER_06How what you first said was bullshit that it's not.
SPEAKER_08So if somebody is somebody is on the if somebody's got to practice to make it, if somebody's on practice squad, they're not in the NFL.
SPEAKER_06That's why it's called practice squad. Yeah, practice squad?
SPEAKER_08Motherfucker still get a check from the Miami Dolphins, from this team. From uh you're in the National Football League. No, you're not. You're on a practice squad. Well, your check still says that's right. So right, so if it's the NFL B and I red shirt, am I not on the UNLV football team? Because I redshirt it? Am I not on the UNLV football team?
SPEAKER_02So if you're in the UN, so if you're in the G League, you're in the NBA.
SPEAKER_06No, it's a different league. That's the same shit, though. No one's you're not on a roster. Who does it?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it is. Nigga, the you can go. Hold on. You can go to the fifth, the the Miami Dolphins roster and you are still on the roster. On the practice quad roster. You're still on the Miami Dolphins roster. You're still under contract.
SPEAKER_06He is too. No, he is. Is he playing? Is he on the fucking team? No, he's not. He's not on the fucking team. He is with the fucking team.
SPEAKER_08Can the water boy get called up on Sundays and play?
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_08No, he can't.
SPEAKER_06Now listen on the field. Now you do the side.
SPEAKER_05So bro, you couldn't get signed to the practice squad. So like a lot of times they'll sign you to the practice squad and then pick you up. Like, let's say let's say JJ gets hurt.
SPEAKER_06When it's game time, he on the point?
SPEAKER_05Yes. Well, I can't I don't know about that part.
SPEAKER_02So do you do you know do you know anybody who who did everything that they were supposed to do that didn't make it to the league?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's like not really.
SPEAKER_02I know some I know I I I know some super talented know anybody who did what they were supposed to do that didn't make it to the league.
SPEAKER_08I know some super talented people, and it's like, God damn, you should have been in the league. But because you didn't Final Four?
SPEAKER_06He didn't make it. Larger Johnson.
SPEAKER_02He played NBA, he might have a different take on NBA versus NFL.
SPEAKER_06Do you have to take NBA or fuck yourself?
SPEAKER_08I I I can't. I wasn't in the NBA. I was I was in the NFL. That's that's why this is my take.
SPEAKER_06Everybody who did the work.
SPEAKER_08No, no, no. Stick to the argument that we were just talking about.
SPEAKER_06Practice squad. That's what you're talking about, right? Practice squad.
SPEAKER_08So, hey, so let me ask you this.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_08Anybody, and I I know you can answer this. Anybody who ever tried to talk about me, oh no, my boy's in the league. Like both, right? Right? Y'all know I was on practice squad with the dolphins. Did you but did you ever not say that oh he ain't in the league?
SPEAKER_06I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_08I didn't know that. That's that's what I'm saying. But for somebody who was on practice squad and got called up on Sundays, yeah, I will be on practice squad, but on Sundays, yeah, I'm in the game.
SPEAKER_06But that's you. Everybody is not being caught called up though.
SPEAKER_02So But you're still on the team. That's the business. Do you do you think the the way you feel about making it to the NFL being easy that most NFL players feel that way?
SPEAKER_08When they're there, yes. When you get there. In comparison to how hard it is to stay there. No, no. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We're not talking about in comparison of it being a good idea. But that but that's what I'm saying. In comparison, in comparison to get to staying there, wouldn't be there.
SPEAKER_06That's it.
SPEAKER_08Right. Right. We we that wasn't the argument of But that was my point. Y'all didn't get my point. That's why he said he got my point. When I got there, I was like, oh, that was easy. This is hard. But again, you won't you won't understand it until you have experienced it. I mean, I guess so.
SPEAKER_05You you won't. I guess so.
SPEAKER_06Had to be there.
SPEAKER_05I'm I'm just a f I'm just a firm believer in like you could I think in today's times, we're not oppressed as they people try to make us seem like. I think we could do anything that we want to do if we put our heads to it. Like, and I and I and I see a lot of people, like, no, some people, like, all right, look, I wanted to be in the NFL, right? But also wanted to work in aviation too. So you know what stopped me from being in the NFL? Me. Like, I was chasing hoes, you know what I'm saying? I was worried about getting my dick wet, and I wasn't applying the pressure that I need to do, and I'd settle for playing arena football. We just to scratch that itch, right? But if I would have really put my, if I really would have did my thing, who's to say I would or would not be? I don't know. I think I'm I'm all about divine timing and shit, right? So um, and things happen for a reason. I'm like I said, I was chasing ass. I'm I would be a firm believer, I'm I'm a firm believer in being honest about shit. Like, if I wasn't chasing ass, like by the time I was graduated, I graduated, I already had a job at UPS. I was traveling, chasing ass. I had girls, right? And I and I and a girlfriend too, but that's a whole nother story. And so I had a car, I'm living the thing, doing the thing, but picture if I would have applied pressure and actually gave a fuck about school, like as far as playing at school, try to, you know, I'm saying me, my measurables, right? Cool. So my second thing since I was nine was I wanted to get into aviation. I got into aviation, and uh the people around me, they do everything they want to do at this point. Like now, do they have to sacrifice? Hell yeah. Do they have to work for it? Hell yeah. Do they have to go without? Hell yeah. How many, how many times do you call me? I'm like, I'm at I'm at work right now. But on the flip side, okay, I wanted to be there since I was nine. Uh I did pretty much everything I want to do. I traveled the world, and I fucking have fun doing it, and I have businesses and I make money from my businesses and stuff like that. And I of course I want to scale more and you know, do more is finding time, and I, you know, I DJ do all that stuff. And I just have fun, you know what I'm saying? So my message is to people is like in today's time, especially black people, we can't hold ourselves blessed. Because you guys, you guys do your your uh your black, you guys did your black history thing uh every day, you know, it's for the city and you know, every podcast you guys did black history. And I mean, history showed us that we are able to persevere. We had a lot of black millionaires in the 1800s when we were supposed to be slaves still, right? And so we had a lot of black millionaires. For a lot for 1800s? Yeah, we had a lot a lot to me is 30 is a lot. Okay, thir thirty is a lot because it was for millionaires at the time, it wasn't the millionaires at the time, it was like shit, okay? It wasn't a shit ton of millionaires. So if you're put if you got 30 millionaires in the 1800s and the 1900s, that goes to tell me that we're per we persevered through a lot a lot of stuff. They put their minds to it. Just like you got let's big up women, right? You got your niece Carter, for example. She is the one that took down Lucky Luciano, the big one of the biggest mobsters of all time. And her parents in the 1800s were doctors and millionaires. So, like I'm saying, is all we have to do is if we think that we could do it and if we try and you know, it's gonna take sacrifice and do all this, like you could do it. Like, nothing's and especially in today's time, especially with this$1,500 thing in your hand and and these hands right here, like nothing is stopping you but you at this point. Like, you can't let nobody stop you. Do you think we're on an even playing field, you're saying? Um, I wouldn't say that we're necessarily on the even playing field, but I mean So if we're not on an even playing field, then what is it? I mean, but if you if you're on the even playing field, you still have to fight those people that's your equals. That you're your quote unquote equals.
SPEAKER_02Well, no, you just said D-Max said, do you think we're on an even playing field? You said no. So if we're not on an even playing field, then what is it? We're at a disadvantage? Yes.
SPEAKER_00Well that's a four. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05We're we're at a disadvantage, but in today's time, we're at a less of a disadvantage. But we a lot of times we keep ourselves in these boxes.
SPEAKER_02So being at a disadvantage, is that another way to say oppressed?
SPEAKER_05No. Because, for example, a lot of things is in information, right? So a lot of a lot of times we'll instead of we might teach this rather than teaching this. The information is there, but we're not teaching that.
SPEAKER_02But that's not being at a disadvantage.
SPEAKER_05No, but what I'm saying is, so a lot of times we get we place ourselves in a box to where we're at in a dis or to where we're in a disadvantage. Like you said, so we're doing it to ourselves. A lot of times we do do it to ourselves. Because we pass on this oppressed culture.
SPEAKER_02So we're not on an even playing field because of us.
SPEAKER_05No, I didn't say that. I said a lot of times that happens because of us. Yes. Not all the time, but a lot of times we obviously we know all the things, all the atrocities that happen to us, right? But in today's time, what is our excuse in today's time? That's what I'm asking. We agreed that we're not on an even playing field. You just said that. No, in in certain aspects, but in other aspects we are. Because we could do what we want. We could do it, we could literally wake up and do whatever we want. Now it might be repercussions for the things that you do, or it might be, you know, but you could literally wake up and do whatever you want.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so you agreeing that we're not on an even playing field, why why would you why would you agree to that? Because what makes it to the what what makes it that way that we're not on an even playing field?
SPEAKER_05What makes outside of the fact that you think we're doing it to ourselves? I didn't say every we all do it to ourselves. I said in some aspects we do it to ourselves.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, outside of those aspects. Outside of those aspects. What keeps us from being on an even playing field that you agree with?
SPEAKER_05A lot of time is the knowledge. Is it is the knowledge and and the things that might have happened in the past, but sometimes a lot of us still live in the past too.
SPEAKER_02So us not having that knowledge.
SPEAKER_05So okay, wait, wait, hold on. Is it because in today's time are you are you oppressed or not?
SPEAKER_00I think we are. How? Because I think Can you go buy a house right now? Depends. Redlining is still a thing.
SPEAKER_05If redlining is still a thing, that's cool. If you agree with that, but you agree with that, but it's not something I have to agree with.
SPEAKER_02There's numbers.
SPEAKER_05If you feel that there's redlining, if you feel that there's not that I this is all right, so this is my this is my this is this is my firm belief, right?
SPEAKER_02Well, we can't go off because there's actual facts and data to bad. If you say that there's okay, uh in Vegas, right? Can you go Lighthouse? You haven't answered my question. Okay, what's your question? Let me let me answer something. DMAX said, do you think we're on an even playing field? Your response was no.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I want to know. You said you don't think we're on an even playing field because of knowledge.
SPEAKER_05A lot of parts has to do with knowledge, yes.
SPEAKER_02And is that our fault? Yes.
SPEAKER_05Some of it is our fault. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So you think that for example it's our it and the system has nothing to do with us being at a disadvantage or maybe or not being at an even playing field. They're not on an even playing field because of us.
SPEAKER_05In today's time, what I'm saying crazy work. In today's time, I'm saying is you don't have those same atrocities as before, right? No.
SPEAKER_02So how do we not? We we just we getting shot and killed in the streets. Who's getting shot and killed in the streets? Everybody gets shot and killed in the streets. But is everybody, is it, is, is everybody's situation getting blasted all over the for everybody to see? Half the time that's us that do that. We're the ones putting killing ourselves and it getting blasted on the internet. Most of the time it's us is blasting ourselves on the internet. So it's black people recording black people.
SPEAKER_05Yes, we're doing this. We're we look at like yesterday for a great example. I'm gonna give you a perfect example. Yesterday, Marathon Burger, right? They had a grand opening. Correct? Did you guys see that? I see that. You guys see that, right? They had a grand opening. Guess what everybody decided to do when they started fighting and shooting and game banging? That video was posted in five seconds. Oh, but who's putting it on the news?
SPEAKER_02Everybody.
SPEAKER_05It's not simply one person.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no, no. We we don't put stuff on the news. We can put it on the internet. Yes, we do. But we don't control what makes it to the news channel.
SPEAKER_05Yes, we do. Okay. You know how much shit that we that we put out there? Uh let's be honest. Look at when Nipsey died. They sent that to say room so quick.
SPEAKER_02That's not a news channel. I'm talking about like Fox Five, like a the actual news. We we do, we sometimes we do. We put it on there. There's black program directors that put that on the news.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_05I mean, look, the news in today's time, that's why I don't watch it. They're looking for anything that's clickbait or that that's gonna be a hot story to get them ratings.
SPEAKER_02And when you say that, you're speaking of the black people that work in those.
SPEAKER_05Whoever works in those. I don't know who works in those places.
SPEAKER_02You just said it was black program directors.
SPEAKER_05You just said that there are some black program directors, you know. So were you saying there can't be black program directors?
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_05I'm saying the ones that are putting it on the news are not uh So are you of the belief that black people can't do nothing outside the scope of like anything high caliber or like doctors, lawyers, I'm just asking asking a question.
SPEAKER_02No, that what does that have to do with no? So we so at that point, at this point we gotta jump through more hoops and hurdles, I would say, to get sometimes, yes. That's facts, yeah. Yeah, that's facts. But then put it in on the other. I mean that's my point of us not being on an even playing field, but us having in your point of view, having to jump through those hoops and hurdles is because we didn't do what we needed to do to get the right knowledge to avoid those hoops and hurdles.
SPEAKER_05No, I didn't say that. What you just did was take some of my words and you twisted it.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm trying to understand. And it's not a good idea.
SPEAKER_05No, what I'm saying is in today's time, we even around it, we have opportunities to go do what we want to do. Right? Now, then I explain that, yeah, we might have to sacrifice, we might have to go through different things to get to what we want to do, but we can do it, it's all on to me, it's all on you. Like I said, they said that you can't be this, you can't be that, you can't be this. We have prime examples of it. It's just that like the crazy thing is like with a lot of things, it it gets stepped over because it's not popular or it's not it doesn't fit a narrative or whatever the case may be. Like, for example, I know a lot of uh people that are black like Congress people, right? But let's say they're Republican, right? They're not gonna get talked about because it doesn't fit that narrative. For example, I'm just using example. Um but then on the on the flip side, because it might be something else, it might get talked about more.
SPEAKER_02You get what I'm saying? So I'm uh I'm not sure. So you're saying they would get talked about more than a lot of people.
SPEAKER_05Sometimes a lot of Democrats A lot of times, yes. A lot more times, yes, more so than not. Because like like when do we ever talk about and you know I'm in the middle, so I'm I don't, you know, but when do we ever talk about the black Republicans that was black Congress people in the 1900s? In the early 1900s, like 1901. And in the late 1800s.
SPEAKER_04Like back then black people were Republicans, it was a like a flip. I can't remember how it's called, but was a flipped word. It went to a different way, was it?
SPEAKER_05In 1964.
SPEAKER_04Even Lincoln, I think Lincoln was Republican. Lincoln was Republican. Yeah, so it was a flip.
SPEAKER_05It was it was a flip during around like the civil rights era, that's when black people started flipping because you know they was promised all this shit. Um, I think civil rights is bullshit too. Yeah, because it's been hijacked. Um if you look at like civil rights bills and stuff, it's like like the moment that they put white women above everybody else, and it has been hijacked, you know. It's it I think that like, for example, like civil rights should have been exclusively for the people that was fighting for civil like the black people that was fighting for civil rights, not and I don't have nothing wrong with the community, if you know what I'm saying. But like why is it that they're higher up in the pecking order and same thing with white women because they're minority. Why are they higher up than you know, and people don't seem to have a problem with that? Yeah, I bel I believe that like a lot of different things that we were taught is um is uh a lot of things that we were taught was um you know uh it wasn't in our best interest.
SPEAKER_04We were thriving by ourselves, you so I you say for sure. I got you.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, on that note, we're gonna have to have a part two to this. You know, say some controversial shit, but I mean I do believe, you know. Uh anything you guys got any shots, anything you gotta say?
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SPEAKER_04This is a great one. Thank you for so much, sir.
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