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From Denver to Vegas: The Journey of a Hustler's Son G.I
What happens when survival instinct meets destiny? In this raw, unfiltered conversation, we meet (GI), who shares the extraordinary story of hitchhiking across states at just 13 years old to find his hustler father in Las Vegas.
GI's journey begins in Denver, Colorado—his proud hometown—before childhood circumstances land him in Northern California's foster system. Desperate to escape, he embarks on a dangerous solo mission to Vegas, asking strangers where to find pimps until he miraculously reunites with his father at the Flamingo Casino. What's striking isn't just the boldness of this act, but GI's matter-of-fact perspective: "It wasn't bold to me. It was survival."
The conversation weaves through significant life influences—from losing his virginity at 11 to his mother's friend, to learning hustle from Vegas streets, to inheriting musical and athletic legacies from his grandfathers. GI's maternal grandfather was musician Roger Trotman, while his paternal grandfather broke color barriers in professional basketball and football. These bloodlines instilled both artistic sensibility and athletic drive, though GI ultimately abandoned football dreams as his consciousness evolved.
Throughout the episode, GI drops gems about women's psychology, street wisdom, and the music industry. "Vegas is the make it or break it city," he observes, explaining how the environment forces people to either level up or crash down. His musical journey—surprisingly influenced by alternative rock before hip-hop—culminates in his upcoming mixtape "Before I Get Mad," releasing soon across all platforms.
Ready to hear how surviving extraordinary circumstances shapes a unique perspective on life, relationships, and art? Listen now, and catch GI on his summer tour kicking off this June.
special episode of elevated talks. Man, look, we're back on the solo tip. I think we might have to bring back out champagne talks. I don't know. Let me know what you guys think. I think champagne talks is coming. We got g6 in the background. We got GI here, very special guest in the building. I'm going to let you cue up yourself.
Speaker 2:Tell us about yourself, let me tell them about myself before I get mad. My name is GI. They call me Jesus with a G. You know you ain't going to meet no other Jesus with a G. Gm. Underscore Jesus on Instagram. But I'm Denver, colorado's finest. You know what I'm saying. I'm just out here in Vegas trying to do my thing. You know this is like the NBA of hustling Everywhere else, like the D League and G League.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying so.
Speaker 2:I had to come out here and test what I was really on.
Speaker 1:Would you really you know I'm going to do my little homework about you and stuff like that Would you really say that you're a Denver, colorado's finest? I would say that you're more of like a. You've been around, you've been in a lot of different places, you know what I'm saying. Like you know we could touch light on that.
Speaker 2:But Denver, colorado, like maybe, maybe I'm going to say I'm Denver, colorado's finest, because that's where I was born and the core things that was instilled in me come from there. So, I took Denver with me everywhere that I went, I got you, I got you, and it's kind of hard to even do that everywhere I go, because that's not somewhere that people say they from.
Speaker 2:I'm most of the time the first person or the only person people know from Denver, so it's like I got to represent for my whole city. I feel like when I go somewhere.
Speaker 1:So that's why I say I'm Denver Colorado's finest, because I went everywhere and represented that shit, because most people when they hear Denver, colorado, they be like man, that's mountain man. You know what I'm saying? That's what most people think, right, but see there ain't no mountains in.
Speaker 2:Denver they thinking about Colorado.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Denver is in America. It's expensive too, it's just like living in LA with the pricing. You know what I'm saying, but you know.
Speaker 1:So, being that you're born and raised in Denver but you've been all over the place and stuff Like tell us where, like tell us about your upbringing, tell us where you, how you grew up, where you spent a lot of time at, and just like, just give us a bio.
Speaker 2:The viewers of bio like you well like I was born in denver, colorado, like I said already, but then like most of my family's, from ohio, or like various places in the south and midwest uh, mostly ohio though. So, like it was, it was like a midwestern upbringing, but I was on the west okay, you know what I'm saying so, like, um, like when I would go to ohio, I got an aunt tibby.
Speaker 2:She got chickens in her backyard and she like you know, if you want, when you hungry, you could go catch one of them chickens and pluck them, and then I cook it for you okay so, but that's not normal in a place like denver.
Speaker 1:You feel me so?
Speaker 2:like I was kind of cultured already and little stuff like that. But then crazy stuff happened in my childhood where my mama was like running from some problems and went to California when I was real young. So like most of my upbringing as like an adolescent child, was like in California, but I was going back and forth to Denver like every break, like winter break. I was going back and forth to Denver like every break, like winter break.
Speaker 1:I'm going to.
Speaker 2:Denver Thanksgiving break. You know what I'm saying. I'm going to figure out a way I'm going to get on the phone with my people. I'm going to, some type of way, get back there every time.
Speaker 1:you know what I'm saying be back in Denver because I just loved it out there. That's different, you know, especially being living in California. What part of California?
Speaker 2:I was a Northern Cal so I was like I can see why now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like Sacramento, Like the first place we went was Richmond. That was crazy, that was like a culture shock. As a kid, I went to elementary school in Richmond and it was like that was rough Still like even through high school. Everything I've been through like school-wise, that was the toughest as a kid going to school in Richmond. Them is some rough-ass little kids over there.
Speaker 2:But that you know what I'm saying. It shaped me to you know what I'm saying, kind of the way I am. But then I went to Sac and then from Sac I went like through foster care and shit like that and I ended up like Vallejo and San Jose and Oakland and then from there I like I hitchhiked my way, actually on some crazy shit, to Vegas.
Speaker 1:How old was you when you did that?
Speaker 2:I was 13.
Speaker 1:Damn okay yeah.
Speaker 2:And I knew my pops. I always heard a bunch of stuff about my pops, but my mom, she didn't really want me to fuck with my pops, so she kind of like you know what I'm saying would try to hide as much shit as she could. But you know I would go back to Denver and see him sometimes and shit like that, but I just knew he was a pimp.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:That's all the information I had kind of had on him once.
Speaker 1:I went through the little foster system and all that.
Speaker 2:So I ran away from there and I was just like I got to figure out my way to Vegas because I heard my dad a pimp in Vegas. So I just went to Vegas and then, once I got there, I asked everybody where the pimps be at. They told me, they pointed me in different directions, different casinos, and I literally like up like three days walking up and down the strip in these different places and found my pops, like at the Flamingo.
Speaker 1:That's crazy because it's like who would think, like, as a 13 year old right, to just like one that's bold as shit, to just hitchhike. You know what I'm saying? Like who would think that's some movies.
Speaker 2:I wasn't even thinking like that at the time.
Speaker 1:And then, like, you get to the destination and you end up walking, you asking everybody where X, y, z, where these people hang out with. So you're a little 13 year old walking the streets. You know what I'm saying and you know, back then I'm pretty sure Vegas still had the curfews and shit with the minors and shit.
Speaker 2:I don't know it was not because it was like groups of kids that would be out on the strip and doing their thing Like. I kind of learned the little strip life Like we would be like selling weed on the bridge by the New York, new York you know, what I'm saying. You could kind of jug by the circus. It was like it was. It was different then because it wasn't as many cameras.
Speaker 2:It wasn't you had to worry about undercovers. That's how I learned how to spot undercovers real good on the strip oh, okay, okay, okay, but like it was. It was a whole different environment. It was a strip, was an entirely different place back then yeah, I watched this.
Speaker 1:Uh, I watched this vegas strip grow and, um, I'm glad I could say that I Was here long enough to see Vegas being special, because to me Vegas is no longer special.
Speaker 2:I love Vegas, but it's no longer special way more special.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, so you, you never you navigate through that. You found your pops and like tell us how that went after shy go lots he like.
Speaker 2:But just imagine, like you ain't like I had a relationship with my pops. I already knew him, I had other siblings and all that, but like we was like suppressed from each other. You know what I'm saying and like it wasn't like he wasn't like trying to be an active parent. He has other kids and other siblings of mine. He take always trying to like reach out but their relationship you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:it just it was crazy. So when we seen each other, like it was like a lifetime movie or something, we ran up embrace.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying hugged each other.
Speaker 2:It was, that was like some movie shit for real and uh after that. You know, he was just excited to have me there because I'm named after my pops. I'm the third you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It was like a real special thing. We always had a strong ass bond, so like took me up and down the strip with Sean Circus, circus and all these crazy things, and then I had the same fit for. Like I want to say, for over a year I had the same fit on since I got picked up from school to the foster care.
Speaker 1:Like I had the same clothes on.
Speaker 2:I was like recycling the same clothes, washing them. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying wearing the same thing.
Speaker 2:So when I got there I just literally had the outfit. I went to school in the last time I went to school.
Speaker 1:Shit okay and I hadn't been to school.
Speaker 2:And so, you know, he went to go, like buy me clothes, you know what I'm saying Went to go do all that. He, you know, just was putting me back in the game, like giving me food, you know what I'm saying Like giving me love, giving me everything I was lacking that whole time.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Even took a little minute for him to put me back in school because he was trying to make sure psychologically I was ready to transition back into, like, not necessarily society, but just going back to a normal way of living.
Speaker 1:You feel me, Rob Markman? Yeah, because most of the time, especially when it comes to something that I don't want to call it dramatic, but that was a big leap from basically being suppressed from your mom giving you little to no information about them. You only see them here or there, and then now it's a whole new world to you because your dad's a hustler. You got your other siblings that you wasn't in contact with Right, and I'm assuming this is before everybody really had cell phones and shit. Yeah for sure. So you couldn't be like shoot a text message or call them.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like that, and then now you figuring out how to be normal but not be normal. You know what I'm saying, because there's nothing normal about.
Speaker 2:But I ain't trying to cut you off my man, no, you're good. It's a weird situation because in the moment you would think, damn, that's fucked up. Like you said, that's a big thing, that's bold as fuck for a 13 year old to think to get up to go do that. But I wasn't thinking about it as a bold move, it was more like a survival situation. Rob Markman.
Speaker 1:Jr.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like an instinct I don't want to be in this situation, no more. So I wasn't thinking about Even going away from my mom, all that shit. I wasn't thinking about it like a sad situation. I was like trying to get to the next situation, to be successful.
Speaker 1:Like you know, I'm saying it was well, that's in hopes of getting here and it wasn't a doubt in my mind yeah, that's in hopes of finding like. So, hindsight, looking back, like it's bold, because that's in hopes of getting here from seven hours from Right. You know what I'm saying In hindsight, it's hella bold.
Speaker 2:Like you said, like I said, though, like in the moment though it's not even a big thing to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not even thinking about it Like all the problems like.
Speaker 2:The first problem I ran into was, you know, like older dudes, you know, trying to like take advantage of the situation or whatever but once they find out my situation. Luckily I ran into some real niggas that just. They gave me money out they pocket and helped me navigate my way to Vegas.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, that's right, that's solid.
Speaker 2:But at first they was picking on me. They like little nigga, take your ass to school.
Speaker 1:Fuck is you doing.
Speaker 2:I'll give you a wedgie. Yeah, so I got lucky to run into Situations that kind of guided me the right way you feel me.
Speaker 1:So you reconnected with your dad and and your siblings. And then how was life after that? So this is a second. This is phase two of life. Now right? So how was phase two of life?
Speaker 2:phase two of life was it was cool, like it wasn't. It wasn't nothing like too crazy. It was just kind of like a culture shock for me from coming from, like you know, living in government assistance and like. I lived in like a neighborhood in Sacramento called they shining star G Parkway, I don't know what y'all call it. Like I, we stayed in a couple like. We stayed like Elk Grove, like all these different places, but like on government assistance. So our living wasn't like up to par.
Speaker 2:So like living with my pops where he was hustling and had everything we need. I was getting in trouble a lot because I was bringing you know what I'm saying, what I was doing, but it it kind of fucked me up. It was like a double-edged sword thing because like it made me understand how to, how to do everything low-key and not and get away with with everything right, okay like vegas, taught me how to be on top of everything.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Learn how to go get some money or ditch school and come back fast enough. You know what I'm saying. Whatever, to not get caught doing nothing. So it wasn't too crazy, I was just.
Speaker 1:I feel like I was just getting real advanced because of where I was at and I tell people like this all the time Vegas is the make it or break it city. So if you want to be regular and like we've seen, you know, if you want to be regular and like, have you like we've seen, you know. Just my time of being here, I seen regular square guys come out here and, like their mind just get flipped because it's like it's fast paced, you got, you got either got to be up here or you're down here. There's nothing in the middle in Vegas. You know what I'm saying. And then I'm seeing girls be like regular degular girls and they come out here and now they selling ass on the strip or whatever the case is, or working in some of these clubs because they wasn't exposed to that fast life or whatever females be selling ass in they city and be the top one and come out here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can't sell a damn.
Speaker 1:No depending on where you're from. I call it like interstate beauty, right, so you could be the top stripper, top prostitute, whatever in Montana, right, but in Vegas it's like so many women that think fast and it's so many pretty women. I say here Miami, la, vegas is a top five state For sure. Movers and shakers and I'm going to just leave it at that, but movers and shakers, you know what I'm saying. So if you a mover and shaker, like Vegas is cool for you because you know you can get your shit off. I mean, especially back in the day, now it's a little bit different. I mean especially back in the day, now it's a little bit different. But yeah, if you regular degular and you got somewhat of a good look and you got a little bit of a hustle to you, then you can make it out here. You can make it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It really just depends on your ambition. If you lazy or not, at that point it's going to break you or make you. But yeah, like my childhood was pretty much that Like my. Yeah, like my childhood was pretty much that Like my pops came out here and thrived you feel me so like. I got to see an example of that and I got to like he was like hands-on, giving me certain gems without necessarily teaching me how to do illegal shit and shit, like that. He was just giving me certain type of gems that was kind of navigating me and helping me through life, like shit. Even before all the crazy shit happened, when I left Denver, when I first went to kindergarten, I remember my pops took me to school. He got down on his knee you know what I'm saying Got on my level, looked me in my eyes and he like you most special than all of them kids you see all them you most special than all them, especially the white kids. They can't even run fast and jump high.
Speaker 2:But you know, he was like you feel me, but it was a small thing, but I'll never forget it. It instilled me with the type of confidence and the type of shit that would even let me travel across the country as a 13 year old and not feel like I'm going to have harm. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying I ain't going to be in harm's way Then. So like when we, we just I was just learning so much crazy shit that I was with my pops feeling like I was it was us against the world, bro. I had my brothers and sisters, it was just. We was thriving bro.
Speaker 1:So, being that you know your pops is a pimp, like what lane did you want to go in? Because, like you know, some people look at like pimping like as a bad con. You know like they look at it like, oh, it's completely bad. But if you really dig deep down inside, like most pimps, they're hustlers, they're natural born hustlers. In today's world you'll call them entrepreneurs, right, yeah? And so like I guess it's like a catch 22,.
Speaker 1:Like two things could be true, right For sure, yeah, sure, they do bad like a catch-22, like two things could be true, right, um, yeah, sure they do bad, but at the same time you know I'm saying like, like in their brain, like it's survivable, to fit is we're hustlers, movers, shakers, shit like that, right. So obviously you know that environment. Most of nine times out of ten you're, you kind of, are what you, what your environment is. So him being a hustler or whatever the case may be a pimp, whatever, did that make you want to be a pimp? Or you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Rob Markman. I mean, of course it's my dad. I'm named after him. I want to be like my pops. You feel me, but it wasn't necessarily like I wasn't itching to be a pimp. You know what I'm saying. Before I seen my daddy pimping like that or got wind or even like. You know what I'm saying. Before I even knew my dad and pimp and associated that together. I ain't never even think you know what I'm saying. It wasn't a natural thing for me to just think that I wasn't like. You know what I'm saying. It wasn't that. But his dad actually was like an athlete, though His pops was like in it. He was like one of the I think, the first black dude to play in the professional basketball and play in the NFL. It was back when it was the ABA, though.
Speaker 1:He played for the.
Speaker 2:Denver Rockets and the Denver Broncos at the same time.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That like broke the color barrier at his college, but he did it with sports, so I looked at that and my pops always highlighted that, because I don't think he wanted to highlight himself being a pimp and wanting his kids to want to be a pimp, so he always highlighted that.
Speaker 2:So I always wanted to be an athlete growing up and that resonated with me the most. You know what I'm saying. So I was just playing hella sports and doing my thing in that area, but I was learning little shit how to, how to do certain things, to get my lunch money, to get whatever I need my tennis shoes or my whatever, whatever from girls or whatever from my pops and then from that it just it snowballed, you know it was kind of fun.
Speaker 1:We just talked about that off camera like um, you know, it's back when we're around the same age or whatever, back when we're growing up, like there's plenty different hustles that you could have, that you know you could still go to school and nobody would know. Your other little hustle, like you know you had to weed candy cds. You know what I'm saying. You know some, some girls, they would just, you know they get their money and then they just take care of you, type deal.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying so it was so many different ways to maneuver and it was less camera, so it was a little bit easier. You didn't have everybody filming everything, man. It was way easier, bro Cameras in school like that.
Speaker 2:I remember when I was a teenager, I was still in high school when I learned the internet and all that Before Backpage they had something called Redbook. I remember that's what I'm saying like. I remember it was so different back then, bro, like getting somebody mama to pay you was easier because like you can't, you can't like look on instagrams and see everybody resumes, so I might be able to act like I'm the biggest pimp in the world to say the right thing and do the right thing, and now it's like everything is so like at your fingertips, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:you wouldn't be able to even get off that plate, like I got it off when I was 16. You feel me, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what kind of taught me like, like, really how to maneuver. Like you know, I grew up around women. I always loved women, but that's what really taught me how to maneuver with women. It's like you know, I had this chick she was a little bit older or whatever, excuse me and then you know, this is before shit, this is even really before MySpace was popping. You know what I'm saying, right, I guess this is kind of this is like this is a black planet. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's before me. That's before me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's before Space yeah, so you know I had. This is before I even I didn't even, I don't even think I had a cell phone at that time. You know what I'm saying and like this is coming off the two ways, you know, yeah you coming AOL instant messaging.
Speaker 1:We had the Black Planet and you know she was a little bit older than me, she already had her own place or whatever, and like she, like it made me want to hustle more and do what I did. You know what I'm saying. I ain't going to say what I did on camera, but it made me want to do because I was all about football. Like I was football on track, right, and you know I did music, djing and stuff on the side, whatever.
Speaker 2:You can run fast, nigga. Huh, you can run fast, nigga.
Speaker 1:I can run, not now. He's old. I was in high school and a little bit after you, for sure, yeah, I was a hundred meters, rob Markman, I was going to race you.
Speaker 2:I don't care about that, rob.
Speaker 1:Markman yeah, nah, man, you might beat me these knees, ain't the same? I think once you get over a little bit over 30 of you, I had a lot of combat. I just put like that, you know what I'm saying. Rob Markman yeah.
Speaker 2:I gave it up early enough to still be able to.
Speaker 1:So me, I played sports until I was 24. And I played. After high school I went to junior college for a little bit, Then I played. They call it semi-pro, Now they call it 37U, All the memes call it 37U or whatever.
Speaker 2:I did that.
Speaker 1:And then I played arena football and I'm like man, I'm making more money doing all the other shit that I'm doing. This little game check ain't shit. You know what I'm saying. You know what? I just had a baby and retired. I'm going back to all the pool parties hustling doing that, whatever whatever.
Speaker 1:Ever since then it's been retired, but since then has been retired. But yeah, you know, like women always kind of taught me um different shit, you know, and I think that's how I maneuvered through life is because, like, I learned a lot of shit from women.
Speaker 2:What happened to the older woman.
Speaker 1:Oh, the older chick. So she taught me, like she taught me some real valuable game. You know what I'm saying. Like she taught me, like the world, like the one thing I always remember she's always telling me, the world is mine right, and she had her own little apartment. So I two cars, it's just I'm thinking she's a shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I left home I was 17 to get with another girl and she kind of stared me that way to that other girl, whatever, because we kind of knew that we wasn't gonna be together, right. But like she made me hustle even more because, like she used to just teach me little. She just give me nuggets and shit like that. And then, um, and she was like like one thing a woman loves is ambition. Like the thought of ambition is what's going to turn her on and that's what's going to grab her attention before anything else.
Speaker 1:So, and then she was like a woman going to look you down then up. So I'm like what we look women up then up. So I'm like what we look women up then down. You know what I'm saying. So she's like no, look, first we smell you and then we look at your shoes. If you got some decent shoes on, then maybe you about some shit. And then we keep on going up and as we keep on going up, if everything else checks out, we don't even give a fuck about the face. And then if we know that you got ambition, then that's just going to make the pussy wet regardless of the fact and I said damn, like that was a nugget that always stuck with me.
Speaker 2:That's crazy because that's how I was taught to judge people. Yeah, down up like for sure, women, men, everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like so for me, I'm more of an observer, so I could like that's what made me good. I used to do investigations before a long time ago and that's what taught me how to like I could spot a hole a mile away Because, like I could look at her and I could pay attention to her whole stilo and shit.
Speaker 2:And I'm like yeah, Instantly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, instantly. You know what? I'm saying she could be the regular degular and I'm like, yeah, she's telling the truth. No, thank you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, and so it's like a gift and a curse, like for average guy.
Speaker 2:Can you know what I'm saying? My bad brother that's my ringtone.
Speaker 1:I can't miss a call yeah.
Speaker 2:You good, that's money calling my bad, though. I'ma turn it on silent when the call over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nah you good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as far as. As far as that. Yeah, women, I ain't gonna lie, they gave me some of the Coldest gems, especially older. Yeah, as far as that. Yeah, women, I ain't going to lie, they gave me some of the coldest gems. Especially older women gave me some of the coldest gems, even if it wasn't directly from them and it was just observing and not you know what I'm saying directly, just getting the game straight from them. Hold on, give me one second, my bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, that's my baby's calling Nah, you good brother. Yeah, you can learn a lot from women if you pay attention, if you you know sometimes like you're looking for things, that like Rob Markman, that like for like a teacher right, but most of the time they teach you things without even saying shit. You know what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying you know what I'm saying, right, yeah, I definitely was looking for somebody to teach me, I mean, and I when I was real young, like I was like right before that little foster care shit, I was like 11. I lost my virginity to my mom's friend. So, like I always was kind of on the older women first you know what I'm saying like I always was attracted to older women.
Speaker 1:I felt weird at school fucking with younger women at first I had to kind of get over that, because I'm like damn, y'all ain't got here, on y'all yeah, yeah, that's how it was too no, but okay.
Speaker 1:so let's stop, let's touch back right there. So I was telling my mom. It's kind of funny. I was telling my mom the other day. I said most of the time a woman's friends is the one that hits on her son. Like you know, they groom A lot of times. The mom's friends is the ones that groom you if you think about it, so like, oh, you're so cute baby. You know what I'm saying. You're just so handsome, You're going to be sexy when you get older.
Speaker 2:Rob Markman, Even the ones, that ain't directly grooming they at least you looking at them, the ones that you feel is attractive to see what type of dudes they like.
Speaker 1:And you try to be.
Speaker 2:oh, I'll be this type of nigga when it is had a clean fade dude. Whatever, yeah for sure, they kind of shape and mold the type of females I feel like that you go for.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. So you know being. You said 11, so that's like sixth grade, right, being that age. Yeah, did that open up your eyes to a whole different light of the world and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah and no, because it kind of shut me down after that. Like I said, after that I kinda wasn't I wasn't super focused On the girls After that Cause it was like I kinda felt weird About fucking with girls my age Like so. It was like it was Like I said yes and no Cause. Then at that point it was easy for me To get over the whole Emotional, trying to be with the girl.
Speaker 1:Cupcake and all that like when it was time to.
Speaker 2:I need some something from you. I need this that get a direction. I could do that easy because it just I never really like was tender for the females because, right, I ain't giving about the ones my age, you know what I'm saying. So it was easy to run them and do everything I wanted to do with them so, if you think about it, look how this shit came back around full circle.
Speaker 1:So like, look, so your mom's friend, you know you smashed your mom's friend, right? Or she smashed you, for lack of a better term. Yeah, so you know, and so it gave you that wherewithal like early on in life, right, right. So then full circle comes back around you meet your dad, like you really start living with your dad, right, I mean, and you know he's a P.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Granted, he might not be telling you full-fledged that he's a P, but you see how that shit came back around full circle though?
Speaker 2:No for sure, no. What's even crazier, though, like it don't even go that far from that circle as you even think, because it's like my pops bottom bitch was my mama friend, best friend in high school okay, so like his stable started off as her friends yeah, okay even crazier so that's the whole reason she left and went to cali in the first place, you feel me like okay, it makes sense now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he got his game. He ain't no, no, it wasn't Colorado, not a place where pimps come from, you feel me so like and he's originally from Jersey. But he came out there when he was real young, when he was a teenager, so like he learned he met an older female that kind of gave him his game and then he was kind of running it on the younger females and shit and she was kind of directing traffic for him and all that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He ended up getting her pregnant, had my little sister like right after my mama had me. Okay, her mama got like strung out on dope all type of shit. He brings my little sister after being born in like an incubator all type of crazy shit. Bring my little sister, like like we got a daughter now to my mama. She like nigga, no, we don't like this shit. Crazy. Then like all the him knocking her friends, all that crazy shit going. So she like I just got to get the fuck away from here. Like this shit just got crazy and then.
Speaker 2:So that's how we, the whole it comes even more full circle because the older women, the all of that shit like it's just even more of a cycle than we even you know know what I'm saying, thinking about.
Speaker 1:So after that you touched on football, yeah, so you was like real big in the football, yeah, I thought I was going to the league. I mean especially you having your blood running through. Yeah, I thought I was him, okay. So what happened with that? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I lost love for the game. I just I didn't want to play football no more. Like I feel like I could have pursued it. I probably could have at least got paid doing it in some capacity. But I started kind of being more conscious of the health risks. That was around the time that a lot more awareness of the health risk was coming around and I was getting a lot more for lack of a better term woke at the time. So I was feeling like I was kind of going into slavery doing something like that. I ain't really feel the whole sports culture at all. I kind of was turned off from it, from just certain things that I learned psychologically and certain things I learned I picked up going through life. At that point it was something I just got away from.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then, after you lost the love of football, what was next? What was your next thing?
Speaker 2:Well, I was like most niggas, you know, I had no plan he's winging it right. Yeah, you know, I was I was like most niggas and then I had to rely on the skills that I had learned throughout that point. You know I'm saying which was not a lot of shit, that was legal.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know. So it was a whole bunch of legal shit going on for real.
Speaker 2:And how old was you around? This time I stopped messing with the sports around, like I want to say, like 17, 18.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I still tried to play in high school a little bit Like that shit was over with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so then you got done with the sports shit, because we're going to touch on the music next, and then you got into hustling, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, and hustling, where did that get you to the point? We're going to fast forward a little bit. You was hustling, and then where did that get you to a certain point where you were like, oh, I got to slow it down, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2:The first time I got locked up. I ain't go to the pen or nothing, but I got locked up in a hustling situation and I had some dope on me and I was trying to play ball in college at that time. I lost NCAA eligibility and all that over the dope. But I was trying to play ball in college at that time. I lost NCAA eligibility and all that over the dope, but I was already one for them. I didn't give a fuck anyway. Yeah, In my mind, being raised by somebody I seen and heard and understood their resume in the streets and knew the stature he had in the streets and wasn't getting caught. And he always taught me you know, you're not a good criminal if you're going to jail and wasn't getting caught. And he always taught me you know you're not a good criminal if you going to jail. I had to kind of pivot what I was doing because I felt like I wasn't the best at doing what I was doing, because I ended up going to jail.
Speaker 2:So I still was doing it. Just I kind of started pivoting the way I was doing things. At that point I started conducting myself different and tried to still hustle, but just in a higher and safer level. You know what I'm saying At a higher and safer level. You feel me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was definitely. And then, when did you really start getting into the music? Was it early on in life or was it always something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I always loved music and I always could rap. Niggas would make a circle. You know what I'm saying and rap, even when I was a kid. I'd be the only kid that could actually rap on me to do something. I always was into the music because my mama's dad, my granddaddy, is Roger Trotman, so you know what I'm saying. He was always teaching me something or I was always around music, rob Markman.
Speaker 1:So were you close with him? I was super close with him, okay, so that's what you're talking about. I was hella close with him. Yeah, okay, for sure.
Speaker 2:That was my nigga. Yeah, For sure definitely that was my nigga. Like I was, I wanted to. Yeah, I think I was his first grandson. I think I was his first grandson, rob Markman. It was just from there that set a foundation for the music. Already, regardless of what I was going to do, I already had just a music foundation. Then my family loved music so much because, of course, my grandma fell in love with him because she loved music.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying they was in the garage making songs and she fell in love with him as a kid. As a kid I wasn't even listening to rap music. Like I was listening to like alternative rock or like even metal. Like I was listening to almost everything but rap. Growing up, like I knew more Kirk Franklin than I knew rap you know what I'm saying Was you a Linkin Park fan?
Speaker 1:Of course Blink-182?.
Speaker 2:I mean I wouldn't say I was necessarily a fan of Blink-182, but I mean it's good music, though it's okay music, depending on the type of alternative you like. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, rob.
Speaker 1:Markman, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I like, I like Fall Out Boy. I mean, that's like-.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. Fall Out. Boy goes hard.
Speaker 2:Like a lot of people, I be feeling like I shouldn't like them, though, but I I love fallout boy.
Speaker 1:I don't know why there's a lot of people that we probably shouldn't like but you know I love fallout boy.
Speaker 2:I don't know why they raw to me. Yeah, they go hard.
Speaker 1:When I was young I was like man, what is this? You know, when I started listening to fallout boys, Like I was playing, I think, Madden or something, and um, they, they were on one of the mad I can't remember what year and they, you know, like when you just playing for a long ass time, you got the mini camps and shit or whatever, whatever. And uh, they just happened to have a song to come on and I'm like who the fuck? Ncaa, I can't remember which one, I ain't going to lie.
Speaker 2:They did used to have little beggars on their mat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:How I learned about Fall Out Boy was like it was a. It was a. I want to say that was like a Christian alternative band called like DC Talk or something like that. But I liked what they was doing but I was like man, it's like a Christian band, man that's crazy what can I find that's? Similar to this that's, and I found fallout boy through that, like talking to the little community. Yeah I was.
Speaker 1:I just always been into music, though, like, and I ain't never, you know, I just was just into it so, going back to to your grandfather, um, you know you said it's kind of crazy because, like you know, that was a fucking legendary grandfather. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And um both of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like you know on both sides, like you got one with the sports and you got one with the music, right, you know what I'm saying. So then you come is like you like the in between a, a, both or whatever, um, and so you know, you grew up listening to the music and learning about music and stuff like that. So how would that now influence you? Or when you start really really doing music, how did that influence your music?
Speaker 2:um, it made it to where I wanted to, for sure, sound good. So I put myself through my own developmental stage process. I studied music real hard. Once I was like, okay, I'm going to try to make a song. I never really thought of it as a career or nothing. Once I was like, okay, I can make a song.
Speaker 1:How can to make a?
Speaker 2:song. I never really thought of it as a career or nothing. Once I was like okay, I can make a song, how can I make a song? Once I really put my mind to it, I sat there for a couple months and figured out how to structure songs and the proper way to. You know what I'm saying. I had already learned chorus and bridge and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay how you put the 16, how you count the bars. I wanted to really learn the intricacies of rap, because that's what I was interested in, you feel me. So I just really put myself in a box to make sure I made songs the correct way every single time.
Speaker 1:first, yeah, so you're like a perfectionist.
Speaker 2:Type shit yeah. So it made me want to sound really good, because I already had an example what good music's supposed to sound like.
Speaker 1:For the viewers. This is the viewers sake. What would you say that your style of rap. What would you kind of compare, because there's so many sub genres in rap, r&b and all that stuff, what would you kind of say?
Speaker 2:your style would be kind of like your style would be kind of like I'd say Ah man, that's a hard question because I feel I know everybody say this, but I feel like I'm real versatile, like my main sound, the sound that I like the most. What I can compare it to probably is like a modern day, like a Mac Dre, ludacris and Too Short.
Speaker 1:Mixed in so you're pulling your Bay Area influence is kind of like. You know, Mac Dre was my first favorite rapper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mac Dre, for sure, you know it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1:I heard about Mac Dre. I want to say like 02, 03.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was around. I grew up in Southern California.
Speaker 1:It ain't the same, bro. It ain't the same. It ain't the same. At that time we was on Game Snoop Dre yeah.
Speaker 2:I ain't going to lie To me. Mack Dre and who else Keep the Sneak? Cml that was back when you know CML.
Speaker 1:Cash Money Lab.
Speaker 2:That was back when Lavish, he was calling himself Lavish D. I thought he was the most famous, biggest rapper ever, bro, I thought he was the biggest nigga ever, bro. Still to this day he's one of my favorites, just because of how I felt about him as a kid.
Speaker 1:You feel me.
Speaker 2:But you know Messy Mars Looney. You feel me, but you know Messy Mars Looney, what's his name. Brother Lynch T-Nutty, what's his name? Yeah, t-nutty man, there's so many people, man.
Speaker 1:Speaking of the Bay you know which one? I used to really have a lot of subs in my truck when I was growing up, like 18, 19 or whatever, right, and Drew Down Pimp of the Year. That shit used to go so fucking hard.
Speaker 2:Rob Markman. Yeah, come on, bruh.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. That used to be one of my favorite fucking songs. I was a big 40 fan, but I wasn't a big Kick the Sneak fan, because at the time I'd be like I can't understand what the fuck he's saying. It just sounded like he's just jibber-jabbering on the fucking. But then when I got older I'm like, oh, his shit was okay. You know what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying and with me, music is like feeling. You know what I'm saying. So with Keek, probably because of where I was at in Northern California.
Speaker 1:I felt him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like you said, I probably couldn't understand everything all the way, and then I'm one of them people with a unique voice, so I kind of fucked with it because he had a scratchy voice, like me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I can see that, yeah, when I was growing up, I did not fuck with a lot of Bay Area people. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I thought it couldn't get no better than that.
Speaker 1:It's like four I four Too Short, but at that time Too Short was international, now Worldwide, because he was living in Atlanta.
Speaker 2:At one point, rob Markman, I feel you it's not the same, because he was more commercial.
Speaker 1:I get what you're saying, Rob Markman E-40 for sure.
Speaker 2:But see, at that time too, though, I loved the Hot Boys.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I love like because I got family that's from all through the Midwest and the South too. So I'm I have like all of these different influences and I'm hearing like my cousins listen to Lil Wayne and all that. I'm like, oh, that's hard. He, a little kid like me. Who is that?
Speaker 1:You know what? I'm saying Like he went like so me growing up man, look, I thought it was like west coast, like specifically like la, you know music or nothing, right, I have respect for, of course, biggie, you know, like you know the hot boys like that juvenile I got a crazy question for you.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that mean you didn't fuck with Pac, then right?
Speaker 1:I fucked with Pac he's not from LA, though. No, he's not. You know, and some people they might get it fucked up Like Pac is.
Speaker 1:Pac is not really from nowhere really because like he grew up on the East Coast and then he moved to the Bay and then, like his later parts of like his last three, four years, that's when he was really in LA.
Speaker 1:So the majority of his life he was either on the East Coast or he was in the Bay in Oakland. So you know I was a big Pac fan. I mean he as well represented the West Coast to me because knowing that at the time when I was a youngster, knowing that he, you know, was fucking around with the bay and then he moved to la uh and was making music after he got out of jail with death row and all them and shit, whatever, and so um, and then when I got older, like my whole, my like when I really started getting into music even more, because like I really started djing, like when I really started honing music even more, because I really started DJing, when I really started honing into DJing and shit, I started realizing to me this is personal opinion, for fucking the viewers right I like East Coast music more than West Coast music. I was listening to at the time. One of my favorite groups was Tribe Called Quest. To me, biggie is a better rapper than Pac, pac is a better artist than Biggie.
Speaker 2:Rob Markman. Bro, anybody who say Pac a better rapper than Biggie, just likes a certain type of rap.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. I used to have a lot of debates about that Pacquiao.
Speaker 2:My gauge on somebody's rap skill, because it's a lot of semantics that could go into that, you know what. I'm saying Because music is subjective, it's art, you feel me. So my thing is do you want to listen to him rap without a beat at all playing? I don't want to listen to Pac rap without a beat. No, I for sure. Listen to Biggie rap without a beat.
Speaker 1:Because we have.
Speaker 2:So I mean that right, there is going to tell you, just leave artistry out of it, just rapping period.
Speaker 1:Biggie. A better rapper Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Pac make way better songs than.
Speaker 1:Biggie Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Now, Pac is probably one of the greatest artists ever, but as far as rap skill he definitely not the best, but I mean he get his respect because he Pac, you feel me, I mean.
Speaker 1:And then I really like one of my favorite albums is fucking Paid in Full by fucking Rakim. So you know, I go back to then and you know, wu-tang, like I used to get into debates because I'm like I feel that don't get me wrong NWA had a big cultural influence and an impact on music, but I felt that I felt that Wu-tang and tribe call quest was better than nwa that was my skill wise that's impossible but, that's not possible.
Speaker 2:That's this is not possible. But I get what you're saying. At their time, when they was hot, they probably was better than what. So they was at their time. So I'm going off of Because you can't compare it like that, because that's like comparing basketball or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So at the time when I used to have these debates, I used to say, okay, if we break down NWA right yeah, q was a writer right yeah, q could spit Probably the greatest writer right yeah, q could spit.
Speaker 2:Probably the greatest writer in hip-hop history.
Speaker 1:Q, to me, is one of the best hip-hop artists. He's underrated too. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:One of the greatest writers in music history.
Speaker 1:Yes, if you go listen to his albums Probably movie history too shit, yeah, no fact. He fucking rap and if you go listen to half his albums, you'll see why his pen is so you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And then you got.
Speaker 1:Eazy-E, Rob Markman. Eazy-e was a. He wasn't a rapper. He wasn't supposed to be a rapper. You know what I'm saying. But I respect Eazy-E and I respect Eazy-E's rapping, but his rapping ability. I used to put him against anybody in Tribe or anybody in Wu-Tang to me or anybody in. I used to be big fans of fucking Jadakiss, Stylespeed and all them shit. So if you Rob Markman yeah, them niggas wrong. Rob Markman yeah. So if you put Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:But I ain't gonna lie. That's not fair to compare Jada and them with.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. Well, they was like his sons in reality, because they came after. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:I was like that ain't even fair, because that day just going to wipe the flow with all this.
Speaker 1:That ain't even fair. That used to be my debate, still Like I was a big tribe park questioner.
Speaker 2:So my take on something like that, though, is like, but for me, like I said, music is more feeling and entertaining.
Speaker 1:So who can entertain me more?
Speaker 2:I think Eazy-E could entertain me more than anybody in Tribe Called Quest so to me oh, that's a fact.
Speaker 1:That's a fact To me. That makes it better, he's more entertaining. But then I start getting nerdy in bars and shit like that. But that's what the music is about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who's going to sell more tickets.
Speaker 1:The lyrics or the entertainment, rob Markman. That's very true, rob Markman. Clearly it's definitely not the lyrics, rob Markman. For sure ain't the lyrics, rob Markman, because there's a lot of people that should be up here but they're not entertaining Rob Markman, it just depend on.
Speaker 2:Like I said, music is subjective, so it depend on how you looking at it. So like, if I'm looking at entertainment value, or if I'm looking at continuity in the music, or if I'm looking at you know what I'm saying making the most money out of it, yielding the most that I could get out of it. It's two sides of it. If I'm looking at it that way, it's easy. If I'm looking at it with the integrity of hip hop, I'm looking at it the same way as you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, like NWA, they're going to, like I said, their cultural impact, their impact in music. That's where, to me, that's really setting them off the bar, because if you break them down individually, like you said, eazy-e, that's pure entertainment, like he's going to put ass in seats, right. And then you got Dre, which Dre you know. Let's take away the production side of Dre right, just in album wise.
Speaker 2:I ain't going to lie. You take Dre production side away. We not even talking about Dre.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because he never had a bad album.
Speaker 2:He only had resources and backing for an album because of his other abilities, though I'd agree with you on that, rob Markman. So if, without that, we would've been looking at what's his name, yella Rob Markman.
Speaker 1:Nobody talks about Yella. Let's be honest, rob Markman, that's what I'm saying. That's what we would've been.
Speaker 2:That would've been. Dr Dre because what do you bring? What do you contribute to hip hop?
Speaker 1:at that point, rob.
Speaker 2:Markman, and no disrespect to Yella, because he could contribute more than I understand it and school me if I'm wrong, rob.
Speaker 1:Markman? No, he has, but nobody's going to just say anything about Yella, because he's not those three that we just named. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, so when it comes down to music, you're right, because entertainment puts ass in seats and they will get you on the charts and shit like that, or whatever they give you your repayability Right. I'm a nerd, so I have this infinity where, when I start learning more about music, the fucking East Coast just captivated me. I'm like, oh shit, they got all these motherfuckers. I'm not even just talking about New York, we got Jersey, philly, you know what I'm saying. And then I'm like, all right, I got to put West Coast second and I'll put South. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So you went from LA. Everything only. Yeah, and so I got older a little bit more mature to tertiary. Yeah, yeah on the back, because then I started listening to a lot of like jay-z jay, if you're looking at it, if you're looking at it at a, on a like a intricate hip-hop level, yeah, west coast is definitely not to be at the top of the list. But I mean, west Coast got they own little wave.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman the Boss. West Coast is nostalgic because West Coast is like the first. Rob Markman the Boss.
Speaker 2:Boom bap. Rob Markman, the Boss, yeah, the first is get you to dance while rapping Rob Markman, the Boss, Exactly Rob. Markman, the Boss, you know they get you to really like you can never count, cali.
Speaker 1:You can never count no West Coast shit out, because it's going to get motherfuckers dancing all the time it's going to get them dancing.
Speaker 2:It's just not the most intricate music, unless you're talking about the beats.
Speaker 1:Now.
Speaker 2:West Coast beats is probably some of the most intricate shit ever.
Speaker 1:Yes, because if you go back and listen to a lot of East Coast beats, they all sound the same Period. That shit is trash. But then they put all the work into the music.
Speaker 2:I'm into the music sonically, besides the beat.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's night and day with that, Rob Markman Jr. I think the West Coast is what really got the women really loving hip hop music. If you think about it, I mean outside of LL and shit. Rob.
Speaker 2:Markman Jr. I think Atlanta probably got, or maybe South Florida.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. I say the South got them shaking more ass, like when you go to Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:I think it got them more involved in hip hop period because I feel like more women broke in hip hop out that way. Shit like that, rob Markman. Yeah, rob Markman, like at a higher clip you feel me? Or like was more embraced too.
Speaker 1:I think they were more embraced out there.
Speaker 2:It was more I think they was more embraced. You know what I'm saying so you might be right, but I think they was. They had more, more of a push in the South.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because if you think about it like the East and the West, you like, if you're a woman rapping, you have to really be able to spit. Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying there you just got to know, you got to kind of just make it jump, make everything sound right?
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Make it have the right bounce on it Because even though Lil' Kim and Foxy they had the sex appeal they could spit. That was raw. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And then you got Trina, you got out of Florida, you got all these women rappers out of Atlanta and stuff like that. They're the ones that make you. They broke through Rob Markman, but that was then, though.
Speaker 2:Now they got them everywhere, though she not the newest, but I feel like she influenced the whole female wave. That's all right. Now, lola Monroe, she out of like Baltimore, she raw.
Speaker 1:She's raw, but again, like you said, the reason why she don't get more she's not talking about more in music conversations is because of what?
Speaker 2:Because I don't know, what Like appeal marketing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, appeal and marketing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what it seemed like to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because if you want to put her rapping in presence, she's a top 10 female rapper. What For so, for, so, for so? You know it's like Imani Caesar. You know it's like Imani Caesar. She's with Buffalo and up in there with West Side Gun and all them right. Okay, like she could rap her ass off, but I mean she's more gritty. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Same thing with Rapsody and Rod Diggins and all them that come with the right type of management and team behind you yes. Billy Eilish did it with Sweatsuits on, so I mean.
Speaker 1:But she had the commercial push because you know she's entertaining she for sure had a commercial push, but then we got. I thought Billy Eilish was a boy for a long time.
Speaker 2:Which is crazy.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, or what's her girl from LA, though, with Kendrick and them.
Speaker 1:Oh, she's getting into season. The little industry plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's from TDE. What the fuck is her name? I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2:We don't know her name because she famous and she didn't have no push.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she just started popping up out of nowhere and then people started talking about her on the internet because she's gay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she is raw, though I ain't going to take away from her talent. She's definitely talented.
Speaker 1:Let me look at her real quick. I know like it's going to fucking kill me that that hold on, it's going to kill me. Sorry, I'm all on my phone and stuff. Yeah, because I was just talking about her, like because my boy was like she's an industry plant. Yeah, because I was just talking about her because my boy was like she's an industry plan. I'm like, yeah, but define an industry plan so I can have this conversation with you a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Define an industry plan. No, that's what I told him, because I wanted to make sure we were talking about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go ahead and define it to the group Industry plan.
Speaker 2:All right, so I'm going to let the people define what an industry plan is Google. I'm going to let the people define what an industry plan is Google. What was her very first show? Her very first show.
Speaker 1:Dochi, that's her name, dochi, yeah.
Speaker 2:Dochi I could be wrong, but we was talking about this the other day. Her very first show was a notable show. I'm not going to say it was the biggest show, but it was like a showcase for some very notable people. Her first recorded show that I can Google and look up people, her first recorded show that I can Google and look up. And, in my mind, if you get in those type of instantly, those type of opportunities, you either have some type of nepotism going on or you have a backing and I think that and I don't think it's dumb, I don't think it's bad, I don't think it's like a negative thing, but I think that she got dropped at a certain position in the game. I think being an industry plan is getting dropped at a certain position ahead of your peers, without having to work for the certain type of opportunities no-transcript.
Speaker 1:Like you know, you kind of know plants when you know, especially like some of the stuff that she do or say you know when the camera's on her and, like I said, I'm not going to take anything away from her because I'm pretty sure she probably had to work hard behind the scenes and shit to this point or whatever, but it's definitely a push that most people are not getting for sure.
Speaker 2:So that's what you call it, Rob Markman, For a person like me. But I am an artist, so sometimes I get caught up in little weird shit that some people don't, but for me that's not the most entertaining because it don't seem organic to me.
Speaker 1:Well, most of the time people like that they only be in the game for like five minutes and then you know.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean sometimes like Lil Baby. He lasted longer than I thought and he was industry playing to me. You know what I'm saying, and he actually was something that I liked. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's almost going on 10. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So he had to run you feel me. I feel like that was an industry plant.
Speaker 1:I feel like that, his whole group, a lot of them was industry plants. I feel like Cardi to a degree, who Cardi to a degree? Who Cardi B? Yeah, I know that she worked hard, but look, think about it.
Speaker 2:No, I ain't going to say Cardi B was an industry plant. I don't think she was an industry plant, but I think that she just had a boost because of her looks and shit, because I actually did see her grind. I ain't going to lie.
Speaker 1:I did see her grind Before Love Hip Hop and then the Love Hip Hop, and then the Love Hip Hop, and then you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I seen her grind. I think honestly she really just capitalized off of opportunities a little bit more.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we could go with that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, she did capitalize.
Speaker 2:Maybe she met the right people or whatever, but I actually did see her grind For real, for real.
Speaker 1:A person who I thought was an industry plant, that I thought was industry plants and they kind of proved me right because we don't hear about them right now and so, um, and there's a lot more that's gonna come through. You know, I'm saying saying everybody don't realize, like certain people who are putting from our face, or sometimes for a reason, to put certain things or certain agendas like like low-nose x for, for example, that's 100% industry.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's, yeah, that's. I don't even want to even. That's crazy yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So what do you have coming out? Like, do you got anything coming out? Do you got anything already out? I do. I got a mixtape dropping. It's called.
Speaker 2:Before I Get Mad. Everybody go grab it. Before I Get Mad. No, I'm just playing, but for real. I don't have an exact date on it, but it's going to be coming out within the next 60 days. All I'm really getting together right now. I got a couple merch orders I got to make and a couple little things that I got to fix, but it's coming in within the next 60 days, like. I said the merch orders is mostly what I'm waiting for, so I can have something tangible to give people along with the music.
Speaker 1:Let me know. We'll definitely cop merch, yeah, for sure. And so, before I get mad, it's going to be on all platforms or are you going to sell it?
Speaker 2:It's going to be on every platform Selling hard copies is crazy.
Speaker 1:Nah, I mean we didn't see any pull it off. Shout out to our boy Tyzak. I mean he sold some hard copies, copies, and he bundled it with candles and hard copies and shit and sweatshirts and shit like that, Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:What did people play it on when the last time you?
Speaker 1:played a CD.
Speaker 2:What apparatus did they use? Tyzak 3.0.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. You know what? So all right, so I'll say like this If I was to do it like that, I'll fucking, which I'm going to do. I'm going to give it a little sauce, but I'm doing this R&B album called Nothing Was the Same.
Speaker 2:Rob.
Speaker 1:Markman, you sing, I don't sing. I'm like a Khaled type of dude.
Speaker 2:I just arrange, rob.
Speaker 1:Markman oh, you curate, yeah, I curate, produce Rob Markman, executives. You know A&R shit, rob Markman. I see I mean I could rap, I'll rap, but I want to get the R&B. R&b is going to be the baby, so I got multiple artists. We're actually doing a show in the fall.
Speaker 1:The album is called what a Night, sorry, what a Time. The show is going to be called what a Night, which is going to be R&B and comedy. The album is going to give you every feeling of R&B, every stage of R&B. So we're going to fuck around with different sub-genres of R&B, every stage R&B. So we don't fuck around with different Subgenres of R&B, but we gonna bring R&B back to his essence of R&B. So what we gonna do is we gonna sell an album with the can of because it was the physical Album, like that, well, everything's gonna be on all streaming platforms, but we're gonna sell a record. Yeah, you know, limited edition is gonna be a record, because now everybody's back into the record players and shit like that. Right, you know you could put it, you could be a fucking dresser piece, like something like that. You know you got the Rolly right there. You know, put a record player right up top, put the album right there. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying so Some people they might listen to Rob Markman Jr. I'll probably maybe sell somebody a flash drive with the music on it. Rob Markman Jr, that's cool too, because I seen tapes that has the flash drive, rob.
Speaker 2:Markman Jr. Yeah, because you could actually put that on something, rob Markman.
Speaker 1:Jr, I'll probably do something like that too, but I'm going to for sure do the album with the candle, because the candle will be vibing, we vibing out Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:But that merch, important though, that's why I got to get it together, because I'm going on tour. I'm starting a tour in June, if everything go right, and it should be ending by the time the end of the summer comes. So I got to have merch, I got to have music ready.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman. Where's some of the stops that you're going to be?
Speaker 2:Rob Markman, I know I'm stopping in Atlanta. I'm stopping in, I want to say, lake Charles, louisiana. I'm stopping in Alabama, I'm stopping in Cincinnati, ohio. Hopefully we make more stops in Ohio. I love. That's like second home to me. I'm trying to get them to find a venue in Denver, but it's still in progress because you know it's a couple months out so every venue is not locked in Rob.
Speaker 1:Markman. Well, let me know, I mean I do. I could jump on planes at any time. I just say that, rob.
Speaker 2:Markman. He said yeah, I come, I slide with y'all, rob Markman, so I can come outside.
Speaker 1:Just let me know, just in case I might have my son or some shit. I'd do a million fucking things. That way I know in advance, I can make arrangements and then you know what I'm saying, we'll be there. You know what I'm saying, I'll probably bring my team with me and shit like that. So yeah, let me know, we'll support.
Speaker 2:Let me know when the merch too.
Speaker 1:I was about to say I got you, I just got to talk to the little promo teams and all that and then shit, you could probably I'm pretty sure G would tell me something like whoever, as long as I know we'll be there. I'll just say it like that. You know what I'm saying, especially the merch too. We're going to cost some merch, I got you For sure.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to make sure well, this is one of my first stops and make sure you keep your promise. Remember, you said you was going to buy some merch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to my boy Isaiah. They pulled up with me with some merch and they was doing their merch. My boy Freak Thinker, tweez shout out to Tweez. My boy Benji he does music too. Y'all got to get y'all together because I think y'all have a good sound together. Tap me in with him, tyzak. I like to support everybody, merch and shit. You know what I'm saying. Shout out to all those people too.
Speaker 2:That's what I do. I only pretty much wear my homeboy shit. This is Cutty Nasty. My boy, d Kirk man, tap in with him. Cutty Nasty on Instagram. D Kirk with three, i's Tap in with him Rob.
Speaker 1:Markman Jr. Oh yeah, that shit fly yeah I even mess with a local jeweler.
Speaker 2:Tap in with the jeweler. Dna Gems on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman Jr Tag. Well, send into all that shit. Shout out to Sneaker Pair too. We've got to get you. Oh yeah, shout out to Eden Sky, shout out to Indy that live in Indy clothing line.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Untamed Humanity. My boy been doing this thing, davion out here. He been doing this thing in Vegas Untamed Humanity.
Speaker 1:Check that out. I've been seeing a lot of people post that they bought it on Instagram and shit like that yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That UH is going crazy, he doing this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to plug me in with him. I'm going to send him to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to send you his IG, all that, yeah, and on that note, you got anything you want to put. Hey, y'all, make sure y'all.
Speaker 2:if y'all see this interview, make sure y'all network, nah, but is there anything else that you want to let the fans know? Shout out, or I want to let them know. I'm the original Box State baby. I'm Denver, colorado's finest. Anybody got something to say about that? You better hit me up something about it, man, if I get mad. Man, because we're going to have some words to exchange about it. Nah, I'm just playing, but nah, tap in with me. Gm. Underscore Jesus with a G on Instagram. That's.
Speaker 1:GI. Yeah, we'll be waiting for that mixtape. We going to bump the fuck out of it. We're going to put a lot of marketing. You'll probably see it on Instagram.
Speaker 2:I want to hear everybody in America saying before I get mad, I'm going to say this.
Speaker 1:If I put something on YouTube, make sure you clear it so I won't get flagged, because they do flag me all the time for using people, even though I got the clearance and shit.
Speaker 2:they'll flag me yeah yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:I'm going to make sure I don't get flagged. Make sure I don't get flagged. You hear this on camera, right? Yeah, and we definitely got to tap in with some music, shit behind the scenes and shit. I think I got another project coming. I tried to get G in on some shit but he'd be moving a thousand miles. Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:Jr man, I ain't going to lie. Man G, too busy for himself, sometimes Got his hand in everything.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman Jr. I told that motherfucker, hey, since he's behind the camera, you need to get some fucking sleep. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:You need to take a nap, motherfucker. Rob Markman, the boss behind the camera. He work in overtime. How you get behind the scenes on the scene, at the scene.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman, you need to fucking take a nap, motherfucker, goddamn you like one of those crackheads or something. Always on crackhead time, rob Markman, he ain't never slept how you smoke 20 blanks a day. You know what I mean, rob.
Speaker 2:Markman.
Speaker 1:You can call this motherfucker at 336 and he like bro it's crazy, but yeah that's a good person to have on your team.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm even taking this serious. I just started taking this music serious in January and he's one of the biggest motivators for me. He got me getting up doing everything every day.
Speaker 1:Keep on taking this shit serious man, because you got a lot to show the world and a lot of people had to hear this shit.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying you got to really push that shit. You know what I'm saying, because shout out to Inglewood Pizzle. I'll be telling him this shit all the time. Like dog, you just put your shit out, man. If you just get your face out there, more you'll be. Like you know, and that's what I want to see from you, and you know we here to support 100%. So keep on doing your shit. Plus, you got too much talent. You got the DNA of two greats.
Speaker 2:you know, tapped into the vein and shit. I'm just trying to make yesterday jealous. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's it. That's it, that's all. And on that note, follow us on all fucking platforms Elevator One Network, that's on YouTube, instagram, all that shit, and we out Peace.
